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Offline wilber

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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #255 on: November 27, 2019, 07:52:19 pm »
You will be able to use very little with this truck that is generic in any way, it will  all have to be specific to this truck. I see Tesla in a similar way to Apple. Their devoted followers will buy and pay anything to have the latest and greatest and they limit their compatibility with after market products. Contractors and people who need work trucks won't even look at this thing but they are obviously not a target market.
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« Reply #256 on: November 27, 2019, 07:54:10 pm »
You will be able to use very little with this truck that is generic in any way, it will  all have to be specific to this truck.

You are right, I must by Tesla tools to carry around in the back for my contracting business. I must go to the Tesla nursery to buy mulch. I must buy Tesla firewood.

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« Reply #257 on: November 27, 2019, 07:57:15 pm »
You are right, I must by Tesla tools to carry around in the back for my contracting business. I must go to the Tesla nursery to buy mulch. I must buy Tesla firewood.

That's not what I am talking about, almost nothing generic is compatible with those bed rails.
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« Reply #258 on: November 28, 2019, 12:48:41 pm »
That's not what I am talking about, almost nothing generic is compatible with those bed rails.
Not sure what exactly your point is.

Even if much of the Tesla pickup is non-standard, many of the people using the truck probably wouldn't care.... stuff gets stuck in the back of the truck in an almost random/3-d Tetris way. They don't need to worry about specific bed rails.

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« Reply #259 on: November 28, 2019, 12:58:03 pm »
Not sure what exactly your point is.

Even if much of the Tesla pickup is non-standard, many of the people using the truck probably wouldn't care.... stuff gets stuck in the back of the truck in an almost random/3-d Tetris way. They don't need to worry about specific bed rails.

I know many people won't care, they will probably sell like hotcakes, just not many to people who have real needs for a truck. I was responding to a post that claimed some people just don't like change when I said the F150 EV will look like a regular truck. It isn't about change, many things look the way they do for a reason.

There is room for real aerodynamic improvements in existing trucks so the front end of the Tesla doesn't really bother me, just the back.

If you are towing something, your aerodynamics can be no better than what you are towing. Probably worse.
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« Reply #260 on: November 28, 2019, 01:01:29 pm »
Tesla isn't trying to make functional designs, it's trying to make cool looking designs to be hip so all the cool kids buy their vehicles.  They want to be Apple or Google rather than Ford or Honda.  They seem like a tech company as much as a car company. At least they know their demographic base.

As long as it's functional (which it doesn't seem to be often) i have no problem bringing different ideas to the marketplace.  We have enough cars on the road that like look like a Toyota Corrola.

People who buy fitbits and smartwatches and 4k tv's before there was any 4k content will want to buy these vehicles.  Musk sounds like one of these people.  People like wasting money on fun gimmicky gizmos.  Probably a good business strategy.
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« Reply #261 on: November 28, 2019, 01:08:42 pm »
I agree to a point. When it comes to EV design, Tesla is very functional and they are still ahead of everyone else. If I am critical of their truck it is because of its functionality as a truck, not an EV.
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« Reply #262 on: November 28, 2019, 01:35:00 pm »
I agree to a point. When it comes to EV design, Tesla is very functional and they are still ahead of everyone else. If I am critical of their truck it is because of its functionality as a truck, not an EV.

I only care about the EV tech mostly.  Tesla also cares about marketing and image, it is a business after all, and Musk's little play toy venture.
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« Reply #263 on: November 28, 2019, 01:43:50 pm »
I only care about the EV tech mostly.  Tesla also cares about marketing and image, it is a business after all, and Musk's little play toy venture.

Sure, marketing and image is important if you are trying to sell something. Musk has a big ego but he is also a visionary. Branson is similar in the way he promotes himself and his business.
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« Reply #264 on: November 28, 2019, 02:48:04 pm »
Tesla isn't trying to make functional designs, it's trying to make cool looking designs to be hip so all the cool kids buy their vehicles.

Let's see, a sloping rear with a retractable cover sounds like it would improve fuel efficiency greatly. A pickup is notoriously bad at aerodynamic efficiency; lots of flat backs (window, tailgate) create negative pressure and the open truck bed causes disruption in air flow. Do you have anything to back up your claim? Have you done aerodynamic modelling? Others who are more interested in science than throwing stones have.
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« Reply #265 on: November 28, 2019, 03:04:08 pm »
Let's see, a sloping rear with a retractable cover sounds like it would improve fuel efficiency greatly. A pickup is notoriously bad at aerodynamic efficiency; lots of flat backs (window, tailgate) create negative pressure and the open truck bed causes disruption in air flow. Do you have anything to back up your claim? Have you done aerodynamic modelling? Others who are more interested in science than throwing stones have.

I guess if NASA hires you to send space craft to the ISS, and you are the first to be able to recover a spacecraft from orbit, you may have some idea of aerodynamics and how to build a car.

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« Reply #266 on: November 28, 2019, 05:26:58 pm »
I guess if NASA hires you to send space craft to the ISS, and you are the first to be able to recover a spacecraft from orbit, you may have some idea of aerodynamics and how to build a car.

Wilber didn't say it wouldn't have good aerodynamics.   He is looking at it and questioning its functionality. 

Also, if you're towing a trailer that has a flat front, of course it will severely affect the aerodynamic efficiency.   ::)


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« Reply #267 on: November 28, 2019, 05:30:23 pm »
Wilber didn't say it wouldn't have good aerodynamics.   He is looking at it and questioning its functionality. 

Also, if you're towing a trailer that has a flat front, of course it will severely affect the aerodynamic efficiency.   ::)



My comment wasn't directed at Wilber.

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« Reply #268 on: November 28, 2019, 05:41:31 pm »
My comment wasn't directed at Wilber.

And mine should have quoted Impact, not you. 

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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #269 on: November 28, 2019, 06:10:49 pm »
Let's see, a sloping rear with a retractable cover sounds like it would improve fuel efficiency greatly. A pickup is notoriously bad at aerodynamic efficiency; lots of flat backs (window, tailgate) create negative pressure and the open truck bed causes disruption in air flow. Do you have anything to back up your claim? Have you done aerodynamic modelling? Others who are more interested in science than throwing stones have.

It doesn't have a cargo capacity to hold very much.  Nobody will buy a truck with a super small cargo bed unless they just want to look cool and hip, regardless of fuel efficiency.  These look like sad tech demo prototypes from 1984 to me.

Also i do have a giant aerodynamic modelling chamber in the my backyard, ill invite yuz all over for beers and wind tests.  :P
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