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« Reply #240 on: September 24, 2019, 02:51:00 pm »
Soooo then in 40 years what will replace Nuclear? LNC? Because it seems Renewables are a long way from being able to carry a base load and even if they could, the land and resources required is staggering.
Nothing needs to 'replace' nuclear (although we may improve reactor technology..)

Long term, we may start to use Nuclear fusion (which has a lot of technical problems to overcome but has a lot of upside.)

Biofuels may take a bigger role, since at least some of that could be done using water rather than land.



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« Reply #241 on: September 24, 2019, 03:00:30 pm »
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True, about 60%. Note however the Pickering is shutting down 2 reactors in 2022, and the rest in 2024. That represents about 25% of the operational nuclear power in Ontario. The other 2 nuclear stations are planned for closure between 25-40 years in the future.
Good to know. There is a geological fault line extending from the St Lawrence through Southern Ontario, surrounded by 7 nuclear reactors.
Uhh... no it isn't. If you truly want to stop climate change, you should be hoping the reactors run as long as possible, or are replaced with new reactors in the near future.

Ontario shares a power grid with large sections of the united states. If we aren't generating electricity via nuclear, we may end up importing electricity from the U.S., and they use a lot more fossil fuels for their power generation. Result: More global warming.

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« Reply #242 on: November 26, 2019, 07:24:50 pm »
Thinking most can afford a $70,000 truck that only goes 400 kms on a charge is laughable.

Tesla announced its pickup last week. Starting price is $39,900 for 250+ mile & 7500lb towing - note that 400km is 249 miles. Delivery is still 2 years out, but you can order now if you want to lock in the price and get in the queue. $49,900 for 300+ mile & 10,000lb towing, and $69,900 for 500+ mile and 14,000lb towing. All can carry 3500lbs payload. The three motor version (the expensive one) does 0-60 in 2.9 seconds - not that you would need that in a pickup, very few cars come anywhere close

It looks like it will be a great off-road vehicle. Both approach (35į) and departure (28į) angles are excellent for a pickup. It has air bag suspension that can rise to give a 16" ground clearance, way above any factory pickup. I expect one of the advantages of an EV is also no driveshaft, differential, or exhaust system hanging down.

The body styling is quite unique. Perhaps a bit off putting to begin with because it is quite different from the status quo, but it quickly grows on you when you realize the advantages. The body is also made of stainless steel, very impact resistant and great on the job site.

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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #243 on: November 26, 2019, 07:28:44 pm »
The Tesla pickup (?) is hideous and impractical. 


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« Reply #244 on: November 26, 2019, 07:49:24 pm »
Ford is coming out with an electric F150, probably by 2021. I bet it will look like a truck.
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« Reply #245 on: November 26, 2019, 07:49:58 pm »
The Tesla pickup (?) is hideous and impractical. 

Why?

Great visibility from inside.

The air suspension allows you to tilt front up, and back down to make it easier to load; your picture demonstrates there is a ramp built into the tailgate. Great for carrying ATV's, motorbikes, etc. There is also a charging port in the bed to recharge your Tesla ATV (what is shown, but no details were given). If I remember correctly it can provide both 110V and 220V power for whatever you need so you can charge you generic e-bikes as well.

Yes, it take some getting used to because it is a dramatic change from the status quo. Do you want legacy, or aerodynamic. Those extended sides on the bed improve efficiency as well, but yes they may get in the way depending on how you want to load it. There is a cover for the bed that in your picture is rolled up out of the way.

Ford is coming out with an electric F150, probably by 2021. I bet it will look like a truck.

Yes, change is hard for some.

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« Reply #246 on: November 26, 2019, 08:18:50 pm »
Why?

Great visibility from inside.

The air suspension allows you to tilt front up, and back down to make it easier to load; your picture demonstrates there is a ramp built into the tailgate. Great for carrying ATV's, motorbikes, etc. There is also a charging port in the bed to recharge your Tesla ATV (what is shown, but no details were given). If I remember correctly it can provide both 110V and 220V power for whatever you need so you can charge you generic e-bikes as well.

Yes, it take some getting used to because it is a dramatic change from the status quo. Do you want legacy, or aerodynamic. Those extended sides on the bed improve efficiency as well, but yes they may get in the way depending on how you want to load it. There is a cover for the bed that in your picture is rolled up out of the way.

Yes, change is hard for some.

It has some neat ideas and yes aerodynamics are more important for EV's. It looks like rear seat headroom will be an issue with this thing. Truck stying may change but their general shape looks like it does for a reason, they are practical vehicles. I can see this thing going over great with suburban yuppies but not people who use trucks for work and recreation. They need things like flat bed rails so they can use a canopy, camper or racks to carry more than one snow machine or motorcycle. The single quad may look catchy in the back of that thing but its shape restricts its utility.
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« Reply #247 on: November 26, 2019, 08:52:51 pm »
I just can't see myself putting a half yard of bark mulch, sand or gravel in the back of that thing.
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« Reply #248 on: November 27, 2019, 01:26:58 pm »
Tesla announced its pickup last week. The body is also made of stainless steel, very impact resistant and great on the job site.
Supposedly the windows are impact resistant. Unless you are demonstrating it in front of an audience.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/cars/elon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-window-glass-broke/index.html
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« Reply #249 on: November 27, 2019, 01:57:29 pm »
The Tesla pickup (?) is hideous
Why? What makes any vehicle "hideous"?

By its nature, cars are unnatural things. We may look at a ferrari and say "that is a beautiful vehicle", but what actually makes it beautiful? And by comparison, what makes people see something like a Pontiac Aztec or a Nissan Cube as 'ugly' (as they are often characterized as)?

(Note: I do recognize that some people might decide they don't like its appearance, but again, that's just a personal preference thing, rather than some objective measure of 'hideous'.)
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and impractical.
Impractical how?

The range appears to be not bad. (Yes, long distances can be problematic without knowing where proper charging stations are, but not everyone uses their vehicles on long road trips.)

?Impact pointed out the towing capacity is 10,000-14,000 pounds. Googling some of the specs for the F150, its towing capacity seems to be between 5000 and 13000 pounds (depending on the engine), so it appears to be roughly comparable to some of the more well known pickup trucks. The payload capacity also seems to be roughly equivalent to the F150 too.

Now the only other thing I can think of that might be an issue is the volume of the truck bed. (I would actually have to see the 2 vehicles side-by-side to determine whether it is an issue or not.)


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« Reply #250 on: November 27, 2019, 02:25:42 pm »
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there are several designs that I now like that had to grow on me.
The size of the bed may be competitive but its usability is nowhere as flexible as a conventional bed.

Electric motors are the king of torque and can pull almost anything, thatís why diesel electric is the choice of ships, rail and other heavy duty applications. Towing will also be a range killer and batteries just donít contain enough energy. A car that gets 30 mpg can go as far on 70 lbs of gas as a Tesla S with a 1200 lb battery.
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« Reply #251 on: November 27, 2019, 02:28:28 pm »
Ohhh... THAT'S what is going on in this thread  :D :D :D

Silly car.... backend developer does frontend...

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« Reply #252 on: November 27, 2019, 02:43:20 pm »
https://fossbytes.com/tesla-cybertruck-killer-neuron-ev-electric-car-pickup-truck-camper/
"Itís because the Neuron EV T-ONE electric pickup truck is a modular vehicle, meaning it can be transformed into a tractor, a camper van, a dump truck and anything else that you can imagine."

Competition for Tesla?
I thought maybe this was a transformer truck, but it seems you can order it with different functions.

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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #253 on: November 27, 2019, 07:05:28 pm »
The Tesla pickup (?) is hideous and impractical. 



While i'm rooting for EV technology in general, Tesla is a weird company that makes its cars to be some kind of gimmicky futuristic thingy to make it seem "cool" and "hip" and "future-forward" in every way besides the EV tech....these cars are and more like a toy for early adopters who always buy tech gadgets when they come out.  Like the Delorean-style doors on some of the cars and the tablets-as-dashboard in the middle of the car look cool but are impracticable.  Same with this truck that looks like a look Mars rover vehicle but has no storage space on the bed.
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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #254 on: November 27, 2019, 07:24:20 pm »
It looks like rear seat headroom will be an issue with this thing.

The few reviews I have seen from people who have actually had a ride in it, including in the rear seat, say it is roomy. Also note that it can seat 6 passengers if you fold down the middle seat in the front.

I just can't see myself putting a half yard of bark mulch, sand or gravel in the back of that thing.

I expect the stainless steel body will stand up far better than any other truck on the road, and then you could always put in a bed liner if you really wanted to but far less need.

Now the only other thing I can think of that might be an issue is the volume of the truck bed. (I would actually have to see the 2 vehicles side-by-side to determine whether it is an issue or not.)

It is a 6Ĺ' bed. They never mentioned if they would make an 8' bed, but most of the trucks sold today are 6Ĺ' anyway. There are also a few 5Ĺ' ones out there but not that many.

If you want to put in a generic camper however that would be a problem. There will however be a tent camper option.