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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #210 on: August 29, 2019, 08:39:21 pm »
I drive in the woods and not much in the city.  EV will be a tough go when you need to do 80km of logging road each way, towing a trailer. 
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« Reply #211 on: August 30, 2019, 01:11:12 pm »
I drive in the woods and not much in the city.  EV will be a tough go when you need to do 80km of logging road each way, towing a trailer.

Tesla model X. 2" towing receiver, 7-pin connector, 5000lb rating. Range is over 500km, but yes that will be cut back when towing and on logging roads. That still however gives you lots headroom as you are only looking for under 200. Ground clearance may be an issue. Depending on how you set the suspension, and wheel size it can be anywhere between 5.3" to 8". Not sure what you mean by "logging road", that is not very descriptive and I have see all kinds including all kinds.
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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #212 on: August 30, 2019, 01:50:01 pm »
Tesla model X. 2" towing receiver, 7-pin connector, 5000lb rating. Range is over 500km, but yes that will be cut back when towing and on logging roads. That still however gives you lots headroom as you are only looking for under 200. Ground clearance may be an issue. Depending on how you set the suspension, and wheel size it can be anywhere between 5.3" to 8". Not sure what you mean by "logging road", that is not very descriptive and I have see all kinds including all kinds.

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MSRP. $115,000

Not much of a 4x4 for the logging roads im talking about.   

Were definitely not talking apples to apples. 

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« Reply #213 on: August 30, 2019, 02:35:09 pm »
Not much of a 4x4 for the logging roads im talking about.   

Were definitely not talking apples to apples.

Then look at Rivian. They will outclass most 4x4's on the market, 8"-14" adjustable clearance, go places you would need a snorkel for ICE vehicles, and tow up to 11,000 lbs to boot. So far they are still in the prototype phase, but remember that Ford invested heavily in them recently. I wouldn't be surprised if Ford takes their chassis which is their real value add, and puts a F-150 and/or Expedition body on top.
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« Reply #214 on: September 03, 2019, 01:57:12 pm »
EVs are not yet attainable for most consumers.

Thinking most can afford a $70,000 truck that only goes 400 kms on a charge is laughable.

Hybrids can be, but they're still reliant on the availability of Gas Stations everywhere. They're useful for commuters. But as governments keep artificially moving the price of gas up, they'll even be less appealing unless car companies make buying these cars easier to do.

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« Reply #215 on: September 03, 2019, 01:58:50 pm »
Just stumbled upon this Ted Talk on Youtube. (Coles Notes version, Renewables have an extraordinary environmental cost where as fuel sources like nuclear actually produce way more power and use far less space)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

Why aren't we investing more in Nuclear? It seems that even if we could create a base load with renewables, the amount of actually material and space required would defeat the purpose.
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« Reply #216 on: September 03, 2019, 04:46:24 pm »
Thinking most can afford a $70,000 truck that only goes 400 kms on a charge is laughable.

Average price for a F-150 is about $50k. The 400kms on a charge is great for a truck. Most people don't drive a truck cross country, they stay close to home. This way they never, repeat never, have to visit the damn gas station ever or worry about running out of gas because they have a full charge every morning and can deal with their day without concern. The anxiety of running out of fuel is gone, that is a legacy of the gas guzzlers.

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« Reply #217 on: September 03, 2019, 04:56:31 pm »
Just stumbled upon this Ted Talk on Youtube. (Coles Notes version, Renewables have an extraordinary environmental cost where as fuel sources like nuclear actually produce way more power and use far less space)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

Why aren't we investing more in Nuclear? It seems that even if we could create a base load with renewables, the amount of actually material and space required would defeat the purpose.

They never include consideration of the human and environmental destruction from mining uranium.
Nobody wants a new reactor built near them.
It isn't a popular alternative with Canadians, so it isn't pursued.

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« Reply #218 on: September 04, 2019, 08:09:00 am »
They never include consideration of the human and environmental destruction from mining uranium.
Nobody wants a new reactor built near them.
It isn't a popular alternative with Canadians, so it isn't pursued.

Ontario is still mostly powered by nuclear.

How about the mining of all the materials to creates these acres of batteries?

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« Reply #219 on: September 04, 2019, 08:10:02 am »
Average price for a F-150 is about $50k. The 400kms on a charge is great for a truck. Most people don't drive a truck cross country, they stay close to home. This way they never, repeat never, have to visit the damn gas station ever or worry about running out of gas because they have a full charge every morning and can deal with their day without concern. The anxiety of running out of fuel is gone, that is a legacy of the gas guzzlers.

Generally, people who buy trucks do it for work purposes, meaning the price is just the cost of doing business.

For EVs and Hybrids to make a difference, they need to be priced for people commuting to work.

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« Reply #220 on: September 04, 2019, 04:43:42 pm »
Ontario is still mostly powered by nuclear.

True, about 60%. Note however the Pickering is shutting down 2 reactors in 2022, and the rest in 2024. That represents about 25% of the operational nuclear power in Ontario. The other 2 nuclear stations are planned for closure between 25-40 years in the future.

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« Reply #221 on: September 05, 2019, 07:12:15 am »
True, about 60%. Note however the Pickering is shutting down 2 reactors in 2022, and the rest in 2024. That represents about 25% of the operational nuclear power in Ontario. The other 2 nuclear stations are planned for closure between 25-40 years in the future.

Good to know. There is a geological fault line extending from the St Lawrence through Southern Ontario, surrounded by 7 nuclear reactors.
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« Reply #222 on: September 05, 2019, 08:40:49 am »
Soooo then in 40 years what will replace Nuclear? LNC? Because it seems Renewables are a long way from being able to carry a base load and even if they could, the land and resources required is staggering.

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« Reply #223 on: September 20, 2019, 04:18:09 pm »
Thinking most can afford a $70,000 truck that only goes 400 kms on a charge is laughable.

Cost of ownership is a different story. As I said previously, this makes a lot of sense for a truck as they stay close to home and would never have to visit a gas station because they are always charged enough for their daily work. It seems Jeff Bezos agrees with me, and he has put his money where it counts. He has ordered a few of these...

... 100,000 to be exact.

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« Reply #224 on: September 21, 2019, 02:52:19 pm »
Soooo then in 40 years what will replace Nuclear? LNC? Because it seems Renewables are a long way from being able to carry a base load and even if they could, the land and resources required is staggering.

Human resourcefulness and innovation is unlimited, and can't be predicted. Rest assured, humans will be inventing what we need for the future.
We have roadblocks to human innovation, well funded and well connected lobbyists, propagandists, and saboteurs for the fossil fuel industry, squashing renewable energy as much as they can.

If we continue and increase our efforts to squash the fossil fuel industry instead, entrepreneurs, innovators, inventors and investors will quickly find ways to promote and profit from renewables.

What's that principle? ... 'An object in motion will remain on it's course until acted upon by another force.'

We have to apply 'the force' to change the direction, and human ingenuity will provide the methods.