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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2017, 05:53:40 pm »
The question isn't "IS it fair ?" but does it look to be fair.

It is already an accepted cultural fact among Blacks that the system is entirely racist and never fair anyway. I think that was part of the reason they all cheered OJ Simpson getting off. They knew he was a murderer, but didn't care. They see the system as stacked against them and were happy to see a Black guy using the system's weaknesses against it.
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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2017, 06:08:27 pm »
****. I've been complaining about the justice system forever. Why should the Lefties be happy?

You mean that it's too soft ?  Ok.  Well you might get some lefties to agree with you in this case.

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2017, 06:09:52 pm »
It is already an accepted cultural fact among Blacks that the system is entirely racist and never fair anyway. I think that was part of the reason they all cheered OJ Simpson getting off. They knew he was a murderer, but didn't care. They see the system as stacked against them and were happy to see a Black guy using the system's weaknesses against it.

That's a weird corollary to white people getting hugely upset over individual cases that mean nothing in the larger scheme of things and demanding justice be brought to bear.  Like the Natalie Holloway case or OJs 2nd case.

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2017, 06:32:51 pm »
We don't know the details of the case of the white tractor stealer, and she gave no examples of any real cases involving aboriginals she finds unfair.  How many run-ins with the law did these aboriginals have?  You can't complain about cases without knowing the cases inside and out and looking at all evidence and previous legal history of the defendant.

Not to say there aren't racist people amongst cops and judges and jury.
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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2017, 06:50:42 pm »
Mob justice is coming one day soon.

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2017, 08:30:15 pm »
It is already an accepted cultural fact among Blacks that the system is entirely racist and never fair anyway. I think that was part of the reason they all cheered OJ Simpson getting off. They knew he was a murderer, but didn't care. They see the system as stacked against them and were happy to see a Black guy using the system's weaknesses against it.

And you seem to think the system isn't rigged against Blacks? Just look at Roy Moore who sat on the bench for a number of years and at the same time proposed to eliminate all amendments to the constitution after the 10th. That would allow America to bring back slavery for instance. He's also an Islamophobe, a homophobe and a religious fanatic. Ah but he's a right winger so that's OK.

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2017, 09:04:45 pm »
We don't know the details of the case of the white tractor stealer, and she gave no examples of any real cases involving aboriginals she finds unfair.  How many run-ins with the law did these aboriginals have?  You can't complain about cases without knowing the cases inside and out and looking at all evidence and previous legal history of the defendant.

I completely agree.  It's absurd to be comparing this tractor-thief sentence to the case of some hypothetical aboriginal whose circumstances we know utterly nothing about. 

I'm sure Michael is trying to take this somewhere, but I have no idea where that might be.


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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2017, 09:21:58 pm »
The Justice System may turn into the next #MeToo
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My concern is this: People are going to start looking at the justice system next, and they won't like what they find.
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Mob justice is coming one day soon.

Soooo ... are you trying to get us to debate whether an native activist could use Twitter to get people riled up enough to form a lynch mob for a guy who stole farm equipment?  Is that where you're trying to lead this thread?


I'd suggest that if vigilante justice does come to Canada, it'll be over some matter that inflames anger at the most visceral level.  A child killer. A child rapist. A serial killer. A serial rapist.  Not a guy who stole farm equipment.  That doesn't provoke the same sort of visceral anger, even in Saskatchewan.


I don't think we've ever had a more likely candidate for vigilante justice than Karla Homolka.  She's still alive and free on the streets, as far as I know.  If nobody was mad enough to kill her, what makes you'd think some mob would form to go after a tractor thief?


Even our gun-toting friends south of the border are pretty indifferent to dispensing vigilante justice.  I can't think of any well known recent examples off the top of my head.

Media personality and bipedal ****-stain Nancy Grace spent many years on TV trying to get her audience riled up enough to go murder somebody.  She never succeeded. She did manage to get somebody to commit suicide, but she never managed to get somebody to commit a murder for her, though she tried very hard.  If television firebrand and talking chunk of dog-**** Nancy Grace can't get gun-toting Americans mad enough to commit vigilante murder, I doubt some aboriginal lady with a Twitter account can get mild-mannered Canadians mad enough to kill.

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2017, 09:49:20 pm »
Mob justice is coming one day soon.

It's already here, and it's going to get louder.  Hopefully it stays in twitter-ville and on university campuses and doesn't turn too violent.

Aboriginals have been given a raw deal no doubt.  But they can't keep seeing themselves as just victims.  Aboriginals choose to romanticize a subsistence pre-industrial way of life while "living off the land" in the middle of nowhere, far from cities and the many benefits that come from capitalism and modern western society.  If you want to keep living in a pre-industrial society you're going to keep getting pre-industrial outcomes where poverty, ****, murder, and lower life expectancy is common.  Choosing to keep living in northern Manitoba or Nunavut isn't the white man's fault.  White man stole a bunch of your land, filled it with some of the most amazing riches and wealth opportunities in human history far beyond your ancestors' wildest dreams...take advantage for effs sake!  Or just keep complaining...your call.
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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 05:46:22 am »

I'm sure Michael is trying to take this somewhere, but I have no idea where that might be.
 

As I said, #metoo is coming to the justice system, maybe. 

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 05:47:59 am »
I'd suggest that if vigilante justice does come to Canada, it'll be over some matter that inflames anger at the most visceral level.  A child killer. A child rapist. A serial killer. A serial rapist.  Not a guy who stole farm equipment.  That doesn't provoke the same sort of visceral anger, even in Saskatchewan.

What does ?

 
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Even our gun-toting friends south of the border are pretty indifferent to dispensing vigilante justice.  I can't think of any well known recent examples off the top of my head.

I made a parallel thread with a US example.

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 05:50:10 am »

Aboriginals have been given a raw deal no doubt.  But they can't keep seeing themselves as just victims.

No, I think this is the start of an effort to challenge the legal system.

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Aboriginals choose to romanticize a subsistence pre-industrial way of life while "living off the land" in the middle of nowhere

As do white Americans... people tend to like their heritage that way.  I'm some kind of weird exception.

The rest of your thread turned into a thing about "Indians" which is OT.

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2017, 08:22:22 am »
No, I think this is the start of an effort to challenge the legal system.

My point is that's it's good and legitimate and I support that, but watching twitter over the last year the narrative is always that white man is the source of all of aboriginal's problems.  So while aboriginals and we as their supporters want to reform things like the justice system and government action (which is 100% fair), I very rarely if ever hear these same people point the criticism on the bad decisions/actions of aboriginals themselves. ie: I can guarantee you that the final report on missing and murdered aboriginal women won't conclude the obvious, which is that there's a high % of aboriginal men that who make horrific decisions like raping and murdering women.  Instead the narrative will be "conditions of dire poverty & centuries of ethnic destruction have caused these **** & murders" etc., which may be true in part, but it takes all blame away from these criminals who are 100% in control of their own actions.

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The rest of your thread turned into a thing about "Indians" which is OT.

Some jerkface should come along and lock the thread!
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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2017, 09:08:02 am »
As I said, #metoo is coming to the justice system, maybe.

Social media erupts in anger at the justice system all the time over specific incidents, like the judge who kept referring to the **** victim as "the accused" and asked why she didn't keep her legs closed. These controversies are nothing new. 

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Re: Accusation of Uneven Justice for White Man
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2017, 11:55:28 am »
No, I think this is the start of an effort to challenge the legal system.

As do white Americans... people tend to like their heritage that way.  I'm some kind of weird exception.

Let them try. I don't sense much sympathy for natives with regard to the criminal justice system. Everyone I know thinks they get special breaks and slaps on the wrist simply because they're natives. Where is the equivalent of the 'healing lodge' for white offenders, or black ones for that matter?

The reason why all the highest crime rate cities in Canada are out west is because of natives. Everyone knows this. The reserves are our version of the urban ghetto and produce the same outcomes in terms of crime, gangs and violence.
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