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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #120 on: September 20, 2021, 11:17:44 pm »
MP, Elizabeth May tweeted earlier today supporting your Green candidate and saying how the NDP ran an ugly campaign.  I'm now so curious what your flyer said. 

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #121 on: September 20, 2021, 11:34:09 pm »
Looks like Trudeau has formed another government--minority government.

I believe the last German election required weeks of negotiation before the "grand coalition" was voted in. Ditto Sweden (in an attempt to keep the Swedish Democrats out of the Riksdag) and Israel and Belgium always wait for weeks before a coalition is formed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada rarely does coalitions? I think you had one during the world wars, and maybe one other time?

Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #122 on: September 20, 2021, 11:34:24 pm »
O'Toole's speech isn't very gracious.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #123 on: September 20, 2021, 11:38:12 pm »
Its official, my ridding flipped!  I guess the 600 mil was worth it after all!

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #124 on: September 20, 2021, 11:39:52 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada rarely does coalitions? I think you had one during the world wars, and maybe one other time?

Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?

In 2008 the Bloc, NDP and Liberals tried a coalition government and the country acted like it was treason.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #125 on: September 20, 2021, 11:40:31 pm »
I've kept my eye on the island, I hadn't seen any blue at any time but yeah I just saw that.  So close!  That's what it was like in 2019 for me and at the very end Shin pulled it off. 

I may have gotten excited prematurely too, we're only ~60% counted, but Zarrillo has a considerable lead.  She's at 37% and the con is at 30%.  That they're not calling it for her worries me...

It has swung orange again on the Island….
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #126 on: September 20, 2021, 11:41:49 pm »
MP, Elizabeth May tweeted earlier today supporting your Green candidate and saying how the NDP ran an ugly campaign.  I'm now so curious what your flyer said.

Darn.  I tossed it, or I’d post a pic.  I thought it was pretty effective and truthful.

I think the Greens imploded and the NDP was just pointing it out.

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« Reply #127 on: September 20, 2021, 11:44:30 pm »
It has swung orange again on the Island….

That's the one I'm watching now.  Looks like mine in 2019, it was a brutal night flickering back and forth all night.

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« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2021, 12:14:50 am »
The anti-abortion group “Campaign Life” has already come out with their knives to get rid of O’Toole for going too far left. 

Will O’Toole get the boot by his party?  Will they go further right with a new leader?
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2021, 09:13:03 am »
Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?
We're stuck with FPTP and a multi-party parliament would be my guess.

Being stuck seems to be the new normal. Oh well, maybe if nothing moves nothing gets hurt or at least not as hurt.
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« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2021, 10:12:26 am »
In 2008 the Bloc, NDP and Liberals tried a coalition government and the country acted like it was treason.
I think the reason why is that the coalition was to include the Bloc, a party rooted in Quebec nationalism and separation.

Had they been able to put together a coalition with just the Liberals and NDP, it might have been better received.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2021, 10:23:36 am »
Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada rarely does coalitions? I think you had one during the world wars, and maybe one other time?

Why do you do minority governments, rather than coalitions (like many other parliamentary democracies)?
It could be the fact that we have so few viable national parties.

For example, in Germany, they have over half a dozen parties currently holding multiple seats. This means both more fragmentation in parliament, and more opportunity to select allies.

In Canada, we usually end up with 3 national parties with a significant presence in parliament, and 2 parties seem to dominate. It makes it trickier to put together a coalition, since you have fewer possible alliances, and any team-up will involve a huge party combined with a smaller party (most likely a Liberal/NDP team up). You'd never have a Liberal/Conservative coalition since both parties are viable contenders to win majorities in future elections. And you won't have a Conservative/NDP coalition because the parties are too divided ideologically.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2021, 10:24:42 am »
Sadly, the Leopards Eating People's Faces party failed to make any inroads in the election.

I'm beginning to think it was a wasted vote to support them.
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2021, 11:49:51 am »
It could be the fact that we have so few viable national parties.

For example, in Germany, they have over half a dozen parties currently holding multiple seats. This means both more fragmentation in parliament, and more opportunity to select allies.

In Canada, we usually end up with 3 national parties with a significant presence in parliament, and 2 parties seem to dominate. It makes it trickier to put together a coalition, since you have fewer possible alliances, and any team-up will involve a huge party combined with a smaller party (most likely a Liberal/NDP team up). You'd never have a Liberal/Conservative coalition since both parties are viable contenders to win majorities in future elections. And you won't have a Conservative/NDP coalition because the parties are too divided ideologically.

That’s due to FPTP.

With a system that better represents the electorate, despite getting more popular vote, the parties on the left side of the spectrum would likely rule as a coalition.   

In that system, I think there would have been much less incentive for Trudeau to call an election as a majority government by 1 party would be even less likely.   However, in other circumstances, maybe there would be more elections if the coalitions couldn’t govern together.

But, looking at New Zealand, they have an election every 3 years.  So this notion that other systems produce unstable governments is probably people cherry picking the countries where this happens and saying “see?  This is what electoral reform would do”.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2021, 12:10:56 pm »
Don't tell anyone, but I voted Liberal.

O'Toole lost me with the refusal to criticize Jason Kenney's handling of COVID.