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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2021, 05:47:14 pm »
Gun control (or the repeal of) is part of the Conservative Party’s platform!  They think it’s very important.  In their platform, they were to repeal the Liberal Government’s latest gun control laws.

Now, I think, they’re actually for those changes, or at least saying they aren’t going to repeal them.  This has really nothing to do with the Libs, but with the Conservative platform.    The fact that they’re not the least bit coherent is not Trudeau’s fault.

Criminals who deal in the trafficking of illegal drugs and illegal guns don't typically use legally acquired firearms. Trudeau is trying to make this a wedge issue, the fact that we're discussing it right now instead of other pressing issues is proof of that.  O'Toole hasn't been responding well to the tactic.
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2021, 06:01:50 pm »
Criminals who deal in the trafficking of illegal drugs and illegal guns don't typically use legally acquired firearms. Trudeau is trying to make this a wedge issue, the fact that we're discussing it right now instead of other pressing issues is proof of that.  O'Toole hasn't been responding well to the tactic.

No. And this is an issue in which he's right and it should be easy to make that obvious, but the Liberals, not wanting to run on their record, are making this election all about stupid wedge issues that don't matter, so he's trying to just dump them and focus on things which do matter.

I'm not sure he could explain it that easily to urbanites who are ignorant of everything related to firearms anyway. All they know is that guns are scary. And if Trudeau calls these 'military style assault weapons' then they're not going to know enough to laugh out loud at him. And the more they talk about **** like this or abortion the less they're talking about what a failure and a fraud Trudeau has been.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2021, 06:04:44 pm »
Now, I think, they’re actually for those changes, or at least saying they aren’t going to repeal them.  This has really nothing to do with the Libs, but with the Conservative platform.    The fact that they’re not the least bit coherent is not Trudeau’s fault.

The position is they accept the ban but will examine the 1500 odd rifles and shotguns the Trudeaites cut and pasted onto this list to see if some of them should come off.  I imagine that would involve establishing criteria as to what constitutes an 'assault weapon' which is not something the Trudeauites bothered to do other than simply grab anything off an online catalog that looked scary.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2021, 11:34:16 am »

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« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2021, 11:37:11 am »
The position is they accept the ban but will examine the 1500 odd rifles and shotguns the Trudeaites cut and pasted onto this list to see if some of them should come off.

They’re platform said that they would get rid of it immediately and that the latest gun laws were completely unnecessary. 

Why do you think this changed?

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  I imagine that would involve establishing criteria as to what constitutes an 'assault weapon' which is not something the Trudeauites bothered to do other than simply grab anything off an online catalog that looked scary.

Assault rifles have been banned in Canada a long time.  This has nothing to do with assault rifles.

I do agree that the Trudeau gun ban was pretty pointless.  But, in my view, it should have gone much, much further in restricting guns.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2021, 12:22:18 pm »
They’re platform said that they would get rid of it immediately and that the latest gun laws were completely unnecessary. 

Why do you think this changed?

Because Trudeau is trying to turn the election into a discussion of wedge issues which will allow him to appeal to people's emotions and fears, especially urbanites who know little or nothing about firearms. There was no profit in O'Toole going along with this as it plays to Trudeau's strength. Better to simply say we'll look at the list and edit it down.

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I do agree that the Trudeau gun ban was pretty pointless.  But, in my view, it should have gone much, much further in restricting guns.
Almost all the murders in this country are criminals shooting each other with illegal weapons smuggled across The US border. If you want to do something about that you crack down on the smuggling, sales, possession and use of illegal firearms. The Liberals have done the opposite by lifting mandatory minimums for a variety of gun crimes.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2021, 02:06:31 pm »
Because Trudeau …

No, no….   Why did O’Toole change his party’s platform?  Trudeau didn’t hold a gun to O’Toole’s head!

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Almost all the murders in this country are criminals shooting each other with illegal weapons smuggled across The US border. If you want to do something about that you crack down on the smuggling, sales, possession and use of illegal firearms. The Liberals have done the opposite by lifting mandatory minimums for a variety of gun crimes.

I don’t disagree with your first part.

The mandatory minimum thing is just a right-wing talking point and a red herring to the conversation.

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2021, 02:23:43 pm »
No, no….   Why did O’Toole change his party’s platform?

Pandering to Canadians instead of just his base.  It's the only way they'll be able to govern well.

Imagine if Canada had a party that had policies the majority of Canadians wanted instead of just pushing their own ideological BS.  A guy can dream...
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2021, 01:19:03 pm »
I received my mail in ballot today.

How will you be voting this election?

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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2021, 02:16:53 pm »
I received my mail in ballot today.

How will you be voting this election?

You apply online for that?  How long did it take to get in the mail?
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2021, 02:42:02 pm »
I received my mail in ballot today.

How will you be voting this election?

I was gonna do that but I'm gonna pop in quickly for early election. 

The CPC candidate defeated the incumbent NDP in 2019 with ~150 votes and it was the most 3 way split I've ever seen in my life.  All night the lead kept going back and forth between them until the very end when CPC won. 

This time there is no Green candidate and the Liberal candidate isn't as strong so hopefully we get our NDP MP back.  She's great.  Jagmeet has campaigned here with her a few times too. 
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« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2021, 05:36:55 pm »
You apply online for that?  How long did it take to get in the mail?

It took a week.
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2021, 06:44:03 pm »
Waldo deep in the Liberal War Room these days is see.  He'll be back shortly after the election when work calms down.
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2021, 02:16:13 pm »
The latest odds from the CBC poll Tracker:

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16%
Probability of the Liberals winning a majority
56%
Probability of the Liberals winning the most seats but not a majority
27%
Probability of the Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority
1%
Probability of the Conservatives winning a majority

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

We will likely see a Lib minority again.  Probably the best thing that could happen in terms of realistic outcomes.  I do hope that it’s a smaller minority than they have now. 

I’d like the NDP and Cons to team up and ditch these clowns, but I don’t think they would do that.

I voted by mail yesterday. 
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Re: 2021 Federal Election Culture (Waldo free)
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2021, 02:21:39 pm »
Looking forward to Waldo's postmortem on the election