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Offline JMT

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2019, 11:06:44 am »
I also forgot to mention the important move of returning to lifetime pensions for injured veterans.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2019, 03:41:04 pm »
I don't know who will win but think there is a good chance of returning to the West of his father, where the only Liberal seats west of Manitoba will be clustered on the BC lower mainland north of the Fraser river and on Vancouver Island.

Did you not pay any attention during the last federal election??   LOL

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2019, 04:34:16 pm »
The Liberals had 22 seats west of Manitoba including three in Alberta. I don’t see that many next time. The marginal Liberal presence out west will be even more marginal.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2019, 03:51:41 am »
The Liberals had 22 seats west of Manitoba including three in Alberta. I don’t see that many next time. The marginal Liberal presence out west will be even more marginal.

So?   The western provinces are not the key to electoral success.  1 seat or 20 seats probably won’t make a difference. 

The problem with Alberta is even if every Liberal MP were laying pipe (for the pipeline) Albertans still would **** about the Liberals.  It’s a no win for them.  So why **** off Quebec or even BC if there is no chance of a few Liberal seats?   Alberta is nearly irrelevant to a federal election.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2019, 10:22:20 am »
So?   The western provinces are not the key to electoral success.  1 seat or 20 seats probably won’t make a difference. 

The problem with Alberta is even if every Liberal MP were laying pipe (for the pipeline) Albertans still would **** about the Liberals.  It’s a no win for them.  So why **** off Quebec or even BC if there is no chance of a few Liberal seats?   Alberta is nearly irrelevant to a federal election.

Out of 181 seats the ruling party has 21 west of Manitoba and most of them clustered in the Vancouver area. This is not a party that represents a cross section of the country. The two solitudes have become Central Canada and the West, not English Canada and French Canada.

Alberta is certainly not irrelevant when it comes to the amount of money it sends to Ottawa, but who cares as long as they keep paying.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2019, 10:30:51 am »
Out of 181 seats the ruling party has 21 west of Manitoba and most of them clustered in the Vancouver area. This is not a party that represents a cross section of the country. The two solitudes have become Central Canada and the West, not English Canada and French Canada.

I like how you totally exclude places like Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, and Victoria as being part of the 'West'.  Those are far from conservative cities.

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Alberta is certainly not irrelevant when it comes to the amount of money it sends to Ottawa, but who cares as long as they keep paying.

So, is your argument that Albertans shouldn't pay federal taxes?

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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2019, 04:11:05 pm »
I like how you totally exclude places like Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, and Victoria as being part of the 'West'.  Those are far from conservative cities.

Wilber is also ignoring that despite voting the majority Conservative in the last election, those provinces were anything but uniform in their voting. 

Alberta was 25% Liberal and 12% NDP
Sask. was 24%, 25% NDP
Man. was 45% Liberal

Manitoba...  the west...  who hates Trudeau and won't elect another Liberal according to Wilber...
 
Wilber's argument that there is some sort of Conservative Blue-tide sweeping the west is a fantasy.

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So, is your argument that Albertans shouldn't pay federal taxes?

Their argument has been nonsensical up to this point.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2019, 05:17:09 pm »
I like how you totally exclude places like Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, and Victoria as being part of the 'West'.  Those are far from conservative cities.

So, is your argument that Albertans shouldn't pay federal taxes?

Vancouver is like the Island of Montreal, it is representative of itself, not the rest of the province. I never said these were Conservative cities but the fact remains, the ruling party of this country holds 21 of the 90 seats west of Manitoba and almost all of those are concentrated in the Vancouver area. It is BC's Island of Montreal, not representative of the rest of the province.

Of course Albertans should pay taxes but there are only four provinces that don't receive more back from Ottawa than they send and Alberta receives back half of what it sends. As long as the ROC can ignore Alberta and get that kind of return, everything is peachy.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2019, 05:59:07 pm »
Vancouver is like the Island of Montreal, it is representative of itself, not the rest of the province. I never said these were Conservative cities but the fact remains, the ruling party of this country holds 21 of the 90 seats west of Manitoba and almost all of those are concentrated in the Vancouver area.


So your "Vancouver" includes Mission-Matsqui-Fraser, Sunshine Coast, Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge, Coquitlam, Cloverdale-Langley, Delta....

All of which voted Liberal and all of which are definitely NOT Vancouver.   ::)

The NDP won more seats then the Conservatives in BC...   

Manitoba voted mostly Liberal...

Your election analysis is completely bogus.

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It is BC's Island of Montreal, not representative of the rest of the province.

70% of the BC population voted for a party other than Conservative. 
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2019, 06:12:43 pm »
So your "Vancouver" includes Mission-Matsqui-Fraser, Sunshine Coast, Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge, Coquitlam, Cloverdale-Langley, Delta....

All of which voted Liberal and all of which are definitely NOT Vancouver.   ::)

The NDP won more seats then the Conservatives in BC...   

Manitoba voted mostly Liberal...

Your election analysis is completely bogus.

70% of the BC population voted for a party other than Conservative.

We'll see how they vote next time. The NDP is not the Liberals. You keep bringing up the Conservatives, not me. The NDP is not the Liberals. The fact is,  the Liberals only hold 22 seats west of Manitoba. 22 out the 90 available, 22 of the 181 the Liberals hold and 22 out 338 total.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2019, 07:46:42 pm »
I also forgot to mention the important move of returning to lifetime pensions for injured veterans.

Which they did not consult veterans on, and results in less money for injured veterans.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-veterans-affairs-skipped-normal-consultations-to-introduce-new/

Veterans are a low priority for the gov.  Gender equality takes up no less than 50 pages in the 2018 federal budget, while indigenous issues take up 21 pages.  Veterans issues take up 2.5 pages.  This government creates virtue signalling budgets designed to impress how progressive it is on social justice issues.  Veterans who lose limbs overseas is not an issue modern social justice circles care much about.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2019, 03:45:30 am »
We'll see how they vote next time. The NDP is not the Liberals. You keep bringing up the Conservatives, not me. The NDP is not the Liberals. The fact is,  the Liberals only hold 22 seats west of Manitoba. 22 out the 90 available, 22 of the 181 the Liberals hold and 22 out 338 total.

Yes, I know how many seats they have.  If you left it at that, you’d be correct...  pointless, but correct.  Instead you go off about how Vancouver is an island...    ::)

And still the west doesn’t really determine federal elections. 

You’re spinning your wheels on a pointless argument.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2019, 05:03:08 am »
Trudeau hasn't been the wind of change he was sold as.  It's warmed-over Liberal mushiness.  JMT's list of accomplishments look accurate but I barely recognize them.

That said, I don't think the alternatives are strong. 

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Meanwhile - did anybody notice that Trump pointed out he could pay for the wall with one MONTH of the Afghanistan war ?  That is the kind of discussion I would like to hear more of: TRADE OFFS.  They are out there, and although I hate Trump more than the next guy that was the ONE thing I thought he could shake up in the US.

Now if we only had someone with brains and a conscience here doing that, imagine where we could go.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2019, 06:08:18 am »
Trudeau hasn't been the wind of change he was sold as.  It's warmed-over Liberal mushiness.  JMT's list of accomplishments look accurate but I barely recognize them.

Yeah.  I looked at that list and mostly felt like these are "so what?" items.

That said, I don't think the alternatives are strong. 

yep.

Meanwhile - did anybody notice that Trump pointed out he could pay for the wall with one MONTH of the Afghanistan war ?  That is the kind of discussion I would like to hear more of: TRADE OFFS.  They are out there, and although I hate Trump more than the next guy that was the ONE thing I thought he could shake up in the US.

Now if we only had someone with brains and a conscience here doing that, imagine where we could go.

hmmm. So why aren't politicians proposing more ideas like that?  I suspect that these trade-offs are easier said than done.  "We could stop spending money on THIS and spend it on THAT instead!" might sound like a great idea for people who are in favor of THAT but people who depend on THIS will be dead set against it.  There's nothing you can do that isn't going to impact somebody.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Federal Election
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2019, 08:37:01 am »
Yeah.  I looked at that list and mostly felt like these are "so what?" items.

I expect government to be competent and reasonably progressive. That seems to be where most Canadians are at.