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Offline Omni

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« Reply #90 on: August 28, 2017, 12:26:59 pm »
Really? So what is the size of the overall extremist right wing groups? I googled Nazis and white supremacists to get he numbers I gave. If you have other numbers post them. I think it's telling that the most they can put up for one of their rallies is a few hundred people.

The Muslims. Because the vast majority of the extremist violence from the far right is unplanned and generally comes from individual anti-government loonies resisting the orders of police and courts and trying to get out of paying taxes. And because they're far right and American they're all armed. As such, they're not much danger to most people.

If you want a laugh sometime look up 'sovereign citizen' on you tube and see all these loonies being pulled over by police trying to say they're not responsible for having drivers licences and don't have to roll down the window because they're a sovereign citizen and getting yanked out of their cars and handcuffed.

But the far right isn't going to want to poison a reservoir, or blow up a nuclear power station, or set off a car bomb next to a school, or drive a truck through a crowd of shoppers or tourists. A far right extremist isn't going to run down the street stabbing and shooting people at random.

Here we go with the xenophobia again , or did you just choose to ignore the stats provided? And wasn't it a far right extremist who most recently did in fact drive a car through a crowd?

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« Reply #91 on: August 28, 2017, 12:48:18 pm »
Because insurance is basically a for profit scam.  Many provinces have nationalized car insurance.  Why not other areas?

Sure can be for government. In 2010 the BC government passed legislation that allowed it to syphon off ICBC earnings into general revenue and proceeded to transfer 1.2 billion in ICBC assets to government. Even though the company has lost money for the past three years, the government has continued to take 150M a year from its revenues. Now the company is over 600 million in the hole and looking at big premium increases or an injection of funds from government in order to stay solvent. The BC government also raids BC Hydro assets in a similar fashion.

When you nationalize something, it also becomes a political tool used for purposes unrelated to the service it provides.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2890769/b-c-government-crown-cash-cows/
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« Reply #92 on: August 28, 2017, 03:43:49 pm »
Here we go with the xenophobia again , or did you just choose to ignore the stats provided? And wasn't it a far right extremist who most recently did in fact drive a car through a crowd?

I explained that. Your habit of getting upset and frustrated at not being able to understand things, and then resorting to insta-outrage, is tiresome.
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« Reply #93 on: August 28, 2017, 03:47:16 pm »
I explained that. Your habit of getting upset and frustrated at not being able to understand things, and then resorting to insta-outrage, is tiresome.

I don't get upset, that's your domain. I just call a spade a spade. I'm not sure what you are suggesting you explained. Maybe try again.
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Re: "Rebel Media" imploding this week
« Reply #94 on: August 28, 2017, 03:48:36 pm »
Omni, I'm going to have to give you quote tag lessons :P

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« Reply #95 on: August 28, 2017, 03:55:48 pm »
Omni, I'm going to have to give you quote tag lessons :P

Yes, what am I missing.

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« Reply #96 on: August 28, 2017, 04:26:43 pm »
Yes, that kind of thing always produces such massive wealth and high standards of living in EVERY SINGLE PLACE it's been tried.

I guess you're nostalgic for the bread lines of the old Soviet Union, huh?
I am more nostalgic for your ludicrous hyperbole.

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« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2017, 04:32:37 pm »
Here we go with the xenophobia again , or did you just choose to ignore the stats provided? And wasn't it a far right extremist who most recently did in fact drive a car through a crowd?
There,s nothing to worry about here /s

http://fortune.com/2017/08/26/charlottesville-violence-leaked-chats/

Well before a white nationalist “Unite the Right” demonstration turned deadly in Charlottesville this month, attendees were planning for violence, according to leaked online chats. In private chat channels, they shared advice on weaponry and tactics, including repeatedly broaching the idea of driving vehicles through opposition crowds. After the vehicular attack which killed counterprotestor Heather Heyer, users of the channel celebrated the event.

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« Reply #98 on: August 28, 2017, 04:48:02 pm »
There,s nothing to worry about here /s

http://fortune.com/2017/08/26/charlottesville-violence-leaked-chats/

Well before a white nationalist “Unite the Right” demonstration turned deadly in Charlottesville this month, attendees were planning for violence, according to leaked online chats. In private chat channels, they shared advice on weaponry and tactics, including repeatedly broaching the idea of driving vehicles through opposition crowds. After the vehicular attack which killed counterprotestor Heather Heyer, users of the channel celebrated the event.

A very scary read, but I'm not surprised. What's also scary is that there are those, (some even on this forum) that try to support the "moral equivalency" defense that Trump has trotted out.   

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« Reply #99 on: August 28, 2017, 05:50:44 pm »
A very scary read, but I'm not surprised. What's also scary is that there are those, (some even on this forum) that try to support the "moral equivalency" defense that Trump has trotted out.

What's scarier is that there is no centre, and no unifying force to stop the escalating tension.  Weapons weren't used this time, but what happens when they are ?

The commander-in-chief will not condemn them, and the finger pointing will continue as Antifa arms up.  Next come summary executions, and with that a family of violence that can't be contained with our existing police forces.

You don't need a crystal ball to see where this is going.

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« Reply #100 on: August 28, 2017, 05:57:27 pm »
I am more nostalgic for your ludicrous hyperbole.

Why is it ridiculous? You talk about nationalizing a whole slate of industries like the Soviets did - the Venezuelans, and I'm not supposed to point out how that ALWAYS turns out?
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« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2017, 06:01:41 pm »
There,s nothing to worry about here /

I never said/suggested there was 'nothing to worry' about wrt far right extremists. I just said Muslims were more into causing widespread death. And it might well be that these people talked on the internet about driving a car through crowds of counter protestors. But the fact remains this is the first time any of them did it, and it came after a day of street brawls which should not have happened. And he has not been charged with terrorist offenses. I haven't seen much on his motivation, but I think it likely it was anger and revenge, much like the guy who gets beat up/thrown out of a bar, gets his gung and goes back shooting.
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« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2017, 06:08:19 pm »
What's scarier is that there is no centre, and no unifying force to stop the escalating tension.  Weapons weren't used this time, but what happens when they are ?

The commander-in-chief will not condemn them, and the finger pointing will continue as Antifa arms up.  Next come summary executions, and with that a family of violence that can't be contained with our existing police forces.

You don't need a crystal ball to see where this is going.

I will repeat an excerpt from a  post I made elsewhere many months ago because I believe it's pertinent. There are very few of these far right people. As long as there are very few it's quite manageable.

Your argument reached me just as I was returning to the work of Karen Stenner, who wrote a book about the forces that tear countries apart. Some people, who she calls “libertarians,” strongly prefer freedom and diversity, she wrote, while others, who she calls “authoritarians,” possess a perhaps innate discomfort with difference. They prize sameness and unity, even if coercion is needed to enforce it. Countries devolve into conflict when the predispositions of the authoritarians are activated.
They hire fascists to do jobs that liberals won’t do.

In her telling, showily, absolutely insisting on unconstrained diversity “pushes those by nature least equipped to live comfortably in a liberal democracy not to the limits of their tolerance, but to their intolerant extremes.” And once authoritarians are activated, the outcome depends in part on how its conservatives react. If they side with the authoritarians, repressive policies follow. But under the right conditions, conservatives can be counted on to rally behind pluralism and tolerance. One condition is that they feel reassured "regarding established brakes on the pace of change, and the settled rules of the game.”

Thus my alarm. When it comes to immigration, many conservatives presently fear that there are no breaks on the pace of change, and that the rules of the game are being broken.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/debating-immigration-policy-at-a-populist-moment/518916/

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« Reply #103 on: August 28, 2017, 06:14:12 pm »
I will repeat an excerpt from a  post I made elsewhere many months ago because I believe it's pertinent. There are very few of these far right people. As long as there are very few it's quite manageable.

'few' meaning low percentage ?  It's not comforting to me.  If 5% of the population is willing to engage in open or stealth warfare it's too much.

The rest of your post seems to be about immigration which is irrelevant to this discussion, to my mind. 

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« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2017, 08:06:01 pm »
'few' meaning low percentage ?  It's not comforting to me.  If 5% of the population is willing to engage in open or stealth warfare it's too much.

The rest of your post seems to be about immigration which is irrelevant to this discussion, to my mind.
Not to mention the radical right wing has killed FAR more people in North America and even the West than radical Islamists, but hey....pay no attention to the white man behind the curtain....there's Mooselems at our door.
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