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Re: "Rebel Media" imploding this week
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2017, 11:40:31 pm »
Yes, lets get back to his point he raised with the "sqaw" shall we?

Go ahead and explain it again for us?

His point is that if some redneck Conservative MP used racist or homophobic language, the national media would be badgering any and every Conservative MP to either endorse or disavow the comment.  Yet we never hear the national media badgering NDP MPs for a reaction when one of their colleagues says something outlandish.

Is that really so complicated?

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« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2017, 11:49:44 pm »
His point is that if some redneck Conservative MP used racist or homophobic language, the national media would be badgering any and every Conservative MP to either endorse or disavow the comment.  Yet we never hear the national media badgering NDP MPs for a reaction when one of their colleagues says something outlandish.

Is that really so complicated?

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So tell us what is more "outlandish" than the term "squaw" Squaw goes beyond outlandish, all the way to racist. But argus has demonstrated such.

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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2017, 12:29:18 am »
His point is that if some redneck Conservative MP used racist or homophobic language, the national media would be badgering any and every Conservative MP to either endorse or disavow the comment.  Yet we never hear the national media badgering NDP MPs for a reaction when one of their colleagues says something outlandish.

Is that really so complicated?

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Might not be complicated, but I don't think it's even true.  Of course, a person notices when one of their own is getting their feet held to the fire, but are less likely to notice when one of the "enemy" is experiencing the same thing; even if they do, they are likely to believe it's deserved, while excusing their own.  I think this is called 'confirmation bias'.   

If I recall, in another thread you felt that language reflected a person's culture, what they find normal, what they believe.  If someone uses an inappropriate word outside their usual circle, doesn't that suggest that for them, that word is familiar and normal?   Then one must ask, why would a word like 'squaw' be familiar or normal to anyone?   Why would someone defend it's use, even in buttfuck nowhere and even if the user is merely a volunteer clerk?   Is casual and unthinking racism acceptable to Conservatives, and so they resent media noticing and people objecting?   If this racism is acceptable to mainstream/moderate Conservatives, then maybe the alt-right and White Supremacists aren't really so much a fringe as we think?


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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2017, 07:00:12 am »
His point is that if some redneck Conservative MP used racist or homophobic language, the national media would be badgering any and every Conservative MP to either endorse or disavow the comment.  Yet we never hear the national media badgering NDP MPs for a reaction when one of their colleagues says something outlandish.

Is that really so complicated?

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Ask Charlie Angus, Libby Davies, or especially Pat Martin about the media and putting their feet in their mouths then get back to me. There's many other examples too; Argus is just plain wrong.

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« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2017, 10:44:40 am »
Might not be complicated, but I don't think it's even true.  Of course, a person notices when one of their own is getting their feet held to the fire, but are less likely to notice when one of the "enemy" is experiencing the same thing;

I would notice, and I have NOT noticed. Look, what we have here is some Nazis involved in street fights in the US, the outrage of which has transferred itself to rebel for not being very critical of them and then onto conservatives in general. So conservatives get tarred because of what some yankee fuckups do. When does this EVER happen to the NDP or Liberals?

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If I recall, in another thread you felt that language reflected a person's culture, what they find normal, what they believe.  If someone uses an inappropriate word outside their usual circle, doesn't that suggest that for them, that word is familiar and normal?   Then one must ask, why would a word like 'squaw' be familiar or normal to anyone?

Are you really this dense? In the first place, I live in Ottawa. There aren't many natives here, so why would I even have cause to use it routinely? Second, I was very clearly using it and example OF an inappropriate word, and how some nobody using an inappropriate word then winds up being used to smear all conservatives.

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Why would someone defend it's use, even in buttfuck nowhere and even if the user is merely a volunteer clerk?   Is casual and unthinking racism acceptable to Conservatives, and so they resent media noticing and people objecting?   If this racism is acceptable to mainstream/moderate Conservatives, then maybe the alt-right and White Supremacists aren't really so much a fringe as we think?

No one was defending it. But thanks for demonstrating so clearly how easily you hairtrigger progressives jump on the 'racist' tag. I sometimes think the only sexual satisfaction lefties get is when they can call people racists or islamophobes. I mean, they sure do like doing it a lot!

So because I forgot to put brackets around the word I'm a racist and by extension all Conservatives are. Now that's truly the kind of genius that let's you be a progressive who is also a fanatical supporter of extreme Islam and desperate to bring as many far, far far right Muslim religious conservatives to Canada as possible. You should get some kind of award for the bizarro world self-justifications you use for your views.
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« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2017, 10:46:43 am »
Ask Charlie Angus, Libby Davies, or especially Pat Martin about the media and putting their feet in their mouths then get back to me. There's many other examples too; Argus is just plain wrong.

Yeah the heat got so ferocious they all had to resign!

Oh... wait...

Has the media even commented on one of the leadership candidates for the NDP being a member of a group which wants to nationalize the banks, insurance companies and auto industries?
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« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2017, 10:48:41 am »
I agree totally with your idea. I came over here because it seemed like there was more intelligent conversations. And lets leave the insults back on MLW.

That's funny given I put you on my ignore list because you were incapable of holding a discussion with someone who disagrees with you without hurling sophomoric insults.

Rather like Donald Trump, come to think of it.
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« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2017, 11:02:19 am »
I would notice, and I have NOT noticed. Look, what we have here is some Nazis involved in street fights in the US, the outrage of which has transferred itself to rebel for not being very critical of them and then onto conservatives in general. So conservatives get tarred because of what some yankee fuckups do. When does this EVER happen to the NDP or Liberals?

Was not the post I responded to talking about lowly person in Canada using the word "Squaw"?   Nothing to do with Nazis, etc. 

But to answer your question:  Antifa.  The left is blamed for those fuckups, just as much as the right is blamed for the nazi/WS fuckups.

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Are you really this dense? In the first place, I live in Ottawa. There aren't many natives here, so why would I even have cause to use it routinely? Second, I was very clearly using it and example OF an inappropriate word, and how some nobody using an inappropriate word then winds up being used to smear all conservatives.

Again, I was responding to a post which spoke of some clerk in buttfuck nowhere using the word "Squaw", nothing to do with you, other then ....

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No one was defending it. But thanks for demonstrating so clearly how easily you hairtrigger progressives jump on the 'racist' tag. I sometimes think the only sexual satisfaction lefties get is when they can call people racists or islamophobes. I mean, they sure do like doing it a lot!

Yeah, you were defending it - complaining that it got too much media attention, and that kind of thing should be ignored.

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So because I forgot to put brackets around the word I'm a racist and by extension all Conservatives are.


Again, I wasn't talking specifically about you - but about the person mentioned in the post I was responding to.



In any case, I have always believed that most Canadians, including conservatives, are as opposed to racism/sexism as I am, but given the posts I've seen by conservatives over at MLW, I sometimes wonder if I'm wrong to continue to believe that.  But then I remind myself that MLW is a very small pool to be drawing conclusions from, and even there I see thoughtful and intelligent posts by conservatives - and so I remind myself not to give too much credence to the idiots.


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Now that's truly the kind of genius that let's you be a progressive who is also a fanatical supporter of extreme Islam and desperate to bring as many far, far far right Muslim religious conservatives to Canada as possible. You should get some kind of award for the bizarro world self-justifications you use for your views.


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  If you want to discuss different opinions in an adult fashion without insults I'm okay with that.
Perhaps you could start modeling the behavior you expect from others.

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Re: "Rebel Media" imploding this week
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2017, 11:47:32 am »


Are you really this dense? In the first place, I live in Ottawa. There aren't many natives here, so why would I even have cause to use it routinely? Second, I was very clearly using it and example OF an inappropriate word, and how some nobody using an inappropriate word then winds up being used to smear all conservatives.

Sounds kinda like a feeble attempt to use the old "some of my best friends are (insert racist descriptor) defense.

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« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2017, 11:51:52 am »
Was not the post I responded to talking about lowly person in Canada using the word "Squaw"?   Nothing to do with Nazis, etc. 

Yes, it was.

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But to answer your question:  Antifa.  The left is blamed for those fuckups, just as much as the right is blamed for the nazi/WS fuckups.

Oh bullshit. Trump's big catastrophic week was as a result of trying to lay any blame on them instead of keeping it entirely on the Nazis. Now progressive idiots around the English speaking world are desperately trying to find statues they can get outraged over so they can demand they be torn down. Whether it's Cornwallis and Sir John A McDonald here, or Washington, Jefferson and Roosevelt in the US, or Nelson's column in England or Cook's in Australia.

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Yeah, you were defending it - complaining that it got too much media attention, and that kind of thing should be ignored.

If an MP says it, sure, it should be derided. But if some nobody does then it's not news.

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Who said this? Perhaps you could start modeling the behavior you expect from others.

In fact, my behaviour is a direct response to what I'm shown. Thus if you post politely I respond politely. If you post with accusations and personal insults I respond with the same attitude.
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« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2017, 12:07:52 pm »
And I'm reminded again of the blinding hypocrisy of the left. One rabid moron Nazi, after a day of brawling with leftist morons, drives his car into some, killing one, and the progressive world loses its collective ****. Not only are they in a wild witchunt for all Nazis (who didn't exactly appear out of nowhere last week), but anyone who might be anything like Nazis, like the alt-right, and then anyone who might be showing sympathy to the alt-right, like rebel, and then conservatives in general. Rabid progressives have even transferred their anti-Nazi fervour to inanimate objects like historical statutes.

But let thirty thousand Muslims slaughter people in thirty thousand attacks and the same people will rush to defend Muslims and repeat, over and over again, that Islam is peaceful and almost all Muslims are peaceful, and hey, some of their best friends are Muslims! Or at least, friends, or at least, people willing to let them be near them without being rude. Every time there's a Muslim terrorist event politicians flock to the mosques to tell everyone how Islam is not to blame.

I saw an interview on You tube the other day from after the Charlie Hebdo massacre, where Douglas Murray castigates the interviewer for his first question. To paraphrase, Murray said "We just had this outrageous terrorist attack by Muslims and the first thing that concerns you is whether or not the far right will gain new converts because of it? Seriously!?"
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« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2017, 12:39:13 pm »
Oh bullshit. Trump's big catastrophic week was as a result of trying to lay any blame on them instead of keeping it entirely on the Nazis. Now progressive idiots around the English speaking world are desperately trying to find statues they can get outraged over so they can demand they be torn down. Whether it's Cornwallis and Sir John A McDonald here, or Washington, Jefferson and Roosevelt in the US, or Nelson's column in England or Cook's in Australia.

Yeah, the me too crap is a bit tiring.  I get Lee statues coming down.  They were put there to bring black people down.  McDonald and Washington are not Lee.

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« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2017, 12:42:37 pm »
And I'm reminded again of the blinding hypocrisy of the left. One rabid moron Nazi, after a day of brawling with leftist morons, drives his car into some, killing one, and the progressive world loses its collective ****. Not only are they in a wild witchunt for all Nazis (who didn't exactly appear out of nowhere last week), but anyone who might be anything like Nazis, like the alt-right, and then anyone who might be showing sympathy to the alt-right, like rebel, and then conservatives in general. Rabid progressives have even transferred their anti-Nazi fervour to inanimate objects like historical statutes.

But let thirty thousand Muslims slaughter people in thirty thousand attacks and the same people will rush to defend Muslims and repeat, over and over again, that Islam is peaceful

It is - or it was meant to be.

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and almost all Muslims are peaceful, and hey, some of their best friends are Muslims!

While most Muslims are peaceful, it's also true that far too many aren't.  The answer to that is, IMO, counter-radicalization.  Also, we have no way of knowing what friends people have or don't have, as we're just people on the internet.

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I saw an interview on You tube the other day from after the Charlie Hebdo massacre, where Douglas Murray castigates the interviewer for his first question. To paraphrase, Murray said "We just had this outrageous terrorist attack by Muslims and the first thing that concerns you is whether or not the far right will gain new converts because of it? Seriously!?"

To be fair, I'm sure that actually happens.

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Re: "Rebel Media" imploding this week
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2017, 12:42:59 pm »
Omni and SirJohn - cool it.

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« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2017, 12:53:11 pm »

In fact, my behaviour is a direct response to what I'm shown. Thus if you post politely I respond politely. If you post with accusations and personal insults I respond with the same attitude.

You responded to my post as if I'd addressed you, when in fact I was responding to Kimmy's post and expressing some thoughts of my own.   In my response to Kimmy's post, I didn't insult anyone - especially not you.  I did ask some questions about the way in which language reflects what we believe and how it can influence perception, but again this did not mention you at all.   I took pains to talk about what I wanted to talk about without being specific. I also asked "questions" rather than making accusations, in the hope of inspiring "discussion" instead of endless sniping. 

You took my post that was not a response to you, did not mention you and did not even remotely insult you as a personal affront, and used it as an excuse to attack and insult me.    If you are going to take any comment I make within a topic that you are also posting in as an insult to you, that is your problem.   If you think that including the word 'conservatives' in a remark that is not complimentary to conservatives is a personal insult to you, let me remind you of the many comments you make about leftists that leftists are not supposed to respond to as if they've been personally insulted.

Once again, perhaps you should try modeling the behavior you expect from others.   

Edited to clarify:  my post that you over-reacted to was actually intended to challenge Kimmy a bit; she can at least respond reasonably and logically.   I can count on her to effectively point out the flaw in any argument using reasoning, rather than relying on wild accusations and insults to 'prove' someone wrong.