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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 10:25:19 am »
not only not pulling out, but now adding 4000 extra troops.
Is this a FLIP or a FLOP?

You know who should have pulled out?  Fred Trump.  http://www.hiyoooo.com/

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 12:04:29 pm »
Why can't conservatives get together and just brand themselves as the caring pragmatists that they are at heart ?
Because "conservatives" is a broad description that can include a wide variety of economic and social values/opinions.

I vote conservative, but I'm also an atheist; I would switch my vote the instant that the party was hijacked by religious social-conservatives and tried to re-implement bans on gay marriage and abortion.

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 12:14:30 pm »
That's the thing: the wacko conservatives must be a minority of the broader team right ? 

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2017, 04:04:14 pm »
That's the thing: the wacko conservatives must be a minority of the broader team right ?

What about the wacko liberals and NDP? There's a socialist caucus in the NDP that wants to nationalize industries and give the 'workers' the levers of power over business. There's no nazi or fascist caucus in the Conservative party.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2017, 04:32:22 pm »
1. What about the wacko liberals and NDP? There's a socialist caucus in the NDP that wants to nationalize industries and give the 'workers' the levers of power over business.
2. There's no nazi or fascist caucus in the Conservative party.
1. Yes, you taught me that one and I wore egg for it.  Thanks for reminding me. 
2. The Liberals have the NDP though.  The Conservatives don't have an NDP.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2017, 06:08:44 pm »
1. Yes, you taught me that one and I wore egg for it.  Thanks for reminding me. 
2. The Liberals have the NDP though.  The Conservatives don't have an NDP.

Granted. But the NDP is not exactly a pariah party. They almost won the last election and are treated with respect by all major media. No one ever questions the radicals within their party, never mind their caucus. But let one wingnut working as a volunteer clerk in a Tory riding in buttfuck Saskatchewan say something about squaws and the national news is all over it and challenging everyone in the party as to whether they agree with them.

I think Cyber said something about how, well, the Nazis are worse because they're evil. I get that. The Nazis want to deliberately kill people because of who those people are. The Communists and Marxists just kill people incidentally, in large numbers, because they get in the way of their objectives. There might not be any targeted racial or ethnic hate behind it. But the people are still dead.

Still, the Nazis are more evil. But there's hardly any of them. Certainly no one who supports fascist/nazi beliefs has been elected to office lately, let alone is running for the leadership of a major political party which almost won power a year ago.
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2017, 07:57:10 pm »
What about the wacko liberals and NDP? There's a socialist caucus in the NDP that wants to nationalize industries and give the 'workers' the levers of power over business. There's no nazi or fascist caucus in the Conservative party.
Oh yes. Nationalizing industries is just like setting up concentration camps and butchering millions of innocent people.  ::)

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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2017, 06:04:22 am »
Granted. But the NDP is not exactly a pariah party. They almost won the last election and are treated with respect by all major media.

But they have never held power.  How the media treats them is what it is.

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No one ever questions the radicals within their party, never mind their caucus. But let one wingnut working as a volunteer clerk in a Tory riding in buttfuck Saskatchewan say something about squaws and the national news is all over it and challenging everyone in the party as to whether they agree with them.

Even Reform had to castigate people who said something like that, as I remember anyway.  The NDP has plenty of internal battles about how far to the right they may drift, but it's not so public.

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I think Cyber said something about how, well, the Nazis are worse because they're evil. I get that. The Nazis want to deliberately kill people because of who those people are. The Communists and Marxists just kill people incidentally, in large numbers, because they get in the way of their objectives. There might not be any targeted racial or ethnic hate behind it. But the people are still dead.

There's no point in equating rightward Canadian Conservatives with Nazis, or leftward NDPers as Communists.  Those were totalitarian governments, remember.

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Still, the Nazis are more evil. But there's hardly any of them. Certainly no one who supports fascist/nazi beliefs has been elected to office lately, let alone is running for the leadership of a major political party which almost won power a year ago.

It's politics, so you won't have a Nazi elected anytime soon.  You seem to think that's not fair ?  Not sure what the point is.

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2017, 11:39:55 am »
Oh yes. Nationalizing industries is just like setting up concentration camps and butchering millions of innocent people.  ::)

No, it's not, but it's an indication of the Communistic sentiments there, and we know those never lead to free and democratic societies. But if you show me the group of avowed fascists in the Tory party I'll agree that's more dangerous. That presumes, of course, that your definition of fascist doesn't include things like those opposed to using gender neutral nouns.
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2017, 11:44:50 am »
But they have never held power.  How the media treats them is what it is.

How the media treat them and how the Left treats them is hypocritical.

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There's no point in equating rightward Canadian Conservatives with Nazis, or leftward NDPers as Communists.

But the rightward Conservatives AREN'T Nazis while some of the leftward NDPers ARE.

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It's politics, so you won't have a Nazi elected anytime soon.  You seem to think that's not fair ?  Not sure what the point is.

I think you know my point. The attempt to smear conservatives (and Conservatives) with the extremist label and impute a relationship with the extremist right is preposterously hypocritical given you and the Left shows zero concern with bringing the extreme Left into your own political parties.
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2017, 02:05:43 pm »
How the media treat them and how the Left treats them is hypocritical.

Two sets of hypocrisy you mean ?

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But the rightward Conservatives AREN'T Nazis while some of the leftward NDPers ARE.

No they're not Nazis.  I get off this train at the last stop before demagoguery.

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I think you know my point. The attempt to smear conservatives (and Conservatives) with the extremist label and impute a relationship with the extremist right is preposterously hypocritical given you and the Left shows zero concern with bringing the extreme Left into your own political parties.

I would say that Conservatives have spoken with regards to the alt-right.  Your argument is mostly with them, I think.

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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2017, 02:51:06 pm »
But let one wingnut working as a volunteer clerk in a Tory riding in buttfuck Saskatchewan say something about squaws and the national news is all over it and challenging everyone in the party as to whether they agree with them.

I suppose you may have inadvertently forgotten the quote marks around the word "squaw."

But given that you did use the term and given that you are a known conservative and given that it is a racist term, well, if it walks like a racist and talks like a racist then people are just going to assume that it is a racist.

And, by implications, those who associate with the racists. 

So really a guilt by association kind of thing.
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2017, 03:14:32 pm »
I suppose you may have inadvertently forgotten the quote marks around the word "squaw."


You should have put quote marks around "inadvertently", because I think we can conclude it was anything but.
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2017, 03:47:54 pm »
I suppose you may have inadvertently forgotten the quote marks around the word "squaw."

No, I left it there in hopes of triggering some hyper-sensitive progressive moron. I hope you didn't cry too much.
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2017, 04:05:37 pm »
No, I left it there in hopes of triggering some hyper-sensitive progressive moron. I hope you didn't cry too much.

I think we all know you didn't "forget" the quote marks. I suspect the word is a regular part of your vocabulary.
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