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Offline kimmy

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Music festivals and sexual assaults are not new, nor is hising the problem from the public.  But when it wasn't Muslims implicated, nobody cared.


At Swedish music festivals, they had gangs of Muslim mooks encircling girls and sexually assaulting them.  But there have also been sexual assaults at North American music festivals by non-Muslims, so it's all the same.

At Cologne they had mobs of Muslim mooks encircling women at the train station and sexually assaulting them.  But non-Muslims also commit sexual assaults, so it's all the same.

This is the kind of false equivalency that drives me mental.

As the articles mention, the modus operandi-- a gang of perpetrators surrounding a lone or small group of women to commit a group sexual assault-- was was previously unknown in Sweden, and in Cologne.

But it's not unknown at all in Muslim countries. Ask Lara Logan.

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gangs of Muslim mooks ... sexually assaulting; mobs of Muslim mooks... sexually assaulting

This is the kind of false equivalency that drives me mental.

but you're clearly all right with false dichotomies, yes? There's been a bit of time since those German New Year's eve events... some time since we had our respective exchanges on the subject on that other shytehole board. Have you been able to refine your numbers/specifics over the time interval? There's been no shortage of reports/analysis, yes?

you just sparked my googly curiosity. Given your (continued) Muslim fervor, I'm having a slight googly glitch as the many articles I've just refreshed my recall with don't even mention the word Muslim - go figure, hey! But again, have you any actual numbers on that declared sexual assault (perpetrators versus victims)... and a definition of that time on what types of offences actually constituted sexual assault (in Germany). Sure wouldn't want your words to be interpreted as false equivalencies, right? Any refinement over time in being able to more clearly differentiate the majority of perps beyond their illegal immigrant status and their North African origin? But hey now, check out that profiled report that speaks to the majority of reported crimes as being theft related ... or kissing/groping/touching... nothing like posturing over false equivalencies in the face of pulling the Muslim card, right? And wait now, there's also that inconvenient report that plays up the "Broken Windows" theory attachment to fostering the number/prevalence of reported crimes in the face of inadequate German policing... imagine drunken young, uhhh... mooks, ya mooks... fueled by minimal police numbers and their lack of interceding law enforcement. And again, no excuses offered and none made for actual crimes committed.

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At Swedish music festivals, they had gangs of Muslim mooks encircling girls and sexually assaulting them.  But there have also been sexual assaults at North American music festivals by non-Muslims, so it's all the same.

At Cologne they had mobs of Muslim mooks encircling women at the train station and sexually assaulting them.  But non-Muslims also commit sexual assaults, so it's all the same.

This is the kind of false equivalency that drives me mental.

As the articles mention, the modus operandi-- a gang of perpetrators surrounding a lone or small group of women to commit a group sexual assault-- was was previously unknown in Sweden, and in Cologne.

But it's not unknown at all in Muslim countries. Ask Lara Logan.

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Yeah, I read a lot about that case and mentioned it once on the "other" board.  I also mentioned how a couple of Muslims were actively accusing her of lying about the incident.  They said they saw her earlier and that she seemed fine.

I'm not saying the Muslims accusing her were incorrect - although it may not have been "her" they saw (even they weren't sure) and they may also have seen her before the incident.

But it was pretty amazing to see the reaction - apologists immediately denied these incidents are happening. (Or that they are waaaay more minor than the news makes them out to be, possibly some minor groping going on, but of course, that happens everywhere, so......). They refused to read any of the accounts, but were immediately attracted to the "She's lying!" thing because Muslims NEVER lie or are incorrect.

I get tired of the claim that it's only about a half dozen "bad" Muslims in the world, making it difficult for the other 1.3 billion (or whatever it is).

Anyways, sniper shot.

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but you're clearly all right with false dichotomies, yes? There's been a bit of time since those German New Year's eve events... some time since we had our respective exchanges on the subject on that other shytehole board. Have you been able to refine your numbers/specifics over the time interval? There's been no shortage of reports/analysis, yes?

you just sparked my googly curiosity. Given your (continued) Muslim fervor, I'm having a slight googly glitch as the many articles I've just refreshed my recall with don't even mention the word Muslim - go figure, hey!

You won't find much hard information on, for example, the number of rapes or other crimes in Sweden committed by Muslims. You know why? Because when the numbers rose to eye-popping heights the Swedish progressives stopped collecting statistics based on race, ethnicity or national origin. Now, like you they can sneer and say "Where's the proof!?"|

And of course, the news media virtually never mentions the ethnicity of criminals. In fact, they go out of their way to avoid it. Ottawa had almost a record number of murders and shootings last year, and in virtually every report, whenever there was a name, it was a Muslim name. But no one in media ever mentioned this strange coincidence, that virtually all the shootings and killings seemed to have Muslim involvement. Nor will they. Three people were shot yesterday, two of them murdered. Sounds like Muslim names, but don't expect anything from the media on that.

As for European media, they've already admitted they not only don't mention ethnicity, but have deliberately ignored/downplayed reports in order not to cause people to look askance at local Muslims. Progressives are not the most honest of people, and especially when confronting realities which go against their ideological beliefs.
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You won't find much hard information on, for example, the number of rapes or other crimes in Sweden committed by Muslims.
But that doesn't stop you and your ilk from talking about how out of control it is. There's no hard information, but you might as well pretend like there is, huh? You don't get to have it both ways.

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But that doesn't stop you and your ilk from talking about how out of control it is. There's no hard information, but you might as well pretend like there is, huh? You don't get to have it both ways.

You mean those who care about western civilization and society and its protection and health? Those who believe in law and order?

I don't believe I've offered up ANY suggestions about how to control it other than the obvious, which is similar to the fact that the more Muslims you have, the more terrorism you have. The more men who come from cultures which can only be described as hateful towards women, the more violence and sexual violence you are going to see being directed towards women. This is basic, elementary logic.


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At Swedish music festivals, they had gangs of Muslim mooks encircling girls and sexually assaulting them.  But there have also been sexual assaults at North American music festivals by non-Muslims, so it's all the same. 
 
At Cologne they had mobs of Muslim mooks encircling women at the train station and sexually assaulting them.  But non-Muslims also commit sexual assaults, so it's all the same.

This is the kind of false equivalency that drives me mental.

You are absolutely correct, of course.  If a non-Muslim mook or gang of non-Muslim mooks rapes a woman at a music festival, that's not as bad as Muslim Mooks doing it.  If a Muslim mook gropes a girl in a swimming pool in Edmonton, why here's proof that the end of our culture is upon us; the near daily news reports of non-Muslim mooks sexually assaulting girls is just business-as-usual.  If a Muslim mook stabs a woman and kills her baby, that's way worse than if a regular mook does the same thing.  A crime committed by a Muslim is proof of our moral superiority; any mention of similar crimes by non-Muslims is "false equivalency".     

Glad we got that straightened out.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/07/gang_rape_reported_at_reggae_f.html
 At the festival, the woman reports she was raped by the two men as well as three other men who were with them. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98P8UqKYC5U
A 16-year-old girl was allegedly beaten by other girls before being held down to be raped in a horrifying attack that was filmed on a cellphone, it was revealed today.
Patricia Montes, 15, and 16-year-old Erica Avery are accused of punching, kicking and pepper-spraying the girl before holding her down to be raped by Jayvon Woolfork, 19, police said.
The barbaric attack was filmed on a cell phone by Lanel Singleton, 18, and shows the girl writhing half naked and weeping in the yard of a home in Hollywood, Florida while her attackers leer over her 


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4218576/Gang-raped-teen-committed-suicide-wrote-warning-letter.html
Australian girl Gang-raped by schoolmates.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/17/528804172/new-lawsuit-alleges-baylor-players-gang-raped-women-as-bonding-experience
Football players bonding over sexual assault

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/23/534183805/third-former-vanderbilt-football-player-found-guilty-in-****-of-unconscious-stud
Participates in gang **** because he was afraid he'd be bullied if he didn't.

http://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story/4717791/she-wanted-to-yell-out-but-she-couldnt-four-men-on-trial-for-party-gang-****/?cs=7
Young adult males **** a 15-year-old

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ywmmeg/theres-a-****-epidemic-at-music-festivals-and-nobody-seems-to-care
Before the "Muslim **** Crisis" in Sweden, music-festival rapes are ignored

https://qz.com/741821/****-at-international-music-festivals-is-a-hideous-problem-that-isnt-going-away/

Yes, it's very different when non-Muslims are doing the raping.   






 

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You are absolutely correct, of course.  If a non-Muslim mook or gang of non-Muslim mooks rapes a woman at a music festival, that's not as bad as Muslim Mooks doing it.

No one has ever even implied that. It's just that this kind of thing rarely happens outside certain 'communities' mainly made up of swaggering, violent, macho men to whom women are there for breeding and cooking and nothing more. That pretty much describes much of the Muslim world as well as black, inner city America. Your googling a few cases of multiple **** doesn't change that. You'd be as logical in producing cases where whites murdered people and say this means blacks don't do it in disproportionate numbers. Or, for that matter, showing a few cases of women murdering people to fight back against the suggestion men murder people more often.
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And of course, the news media virtually never mentions the ethnicity of criminals. In fact, they go out of their way to avoid it. Ottawa had almost a record number of murders and shootings last year, and in virtually every report, whenever there was a name, it was a Muslim name. But no one in media ever mentioned this strange coincidence, that virtually all the shootings and killings seemed to have Muslim involvement. Nor will they. Three people were shot yesterday, two of them murdered. Sounds like Muslim names, but don't expect anything from the media on that.

is one city, one year... an anomaly or, in your skewed view, a trend? ;D But hey now, a quick googly... even relying upon, accepting, such stalwart sources as Horowitz/Creeping Sharia, your, "virtually every report... virtually all" gets narrowed down a tad to... "less than half". No word on whether that less than half is a, 'less than virtual half'! What's this: 24 homicides in 2016, in total... that's it! Oh Argus!

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is one city, one year... an anomaly or, in your skewed view, a trend? ;D But hey now, a quick googly... even relying upon, accepting, such stalwart sources as Horowitz/Creeping Sharia, your, "virtually every report... virtually all" gets narrowed down a tad to... "less than half". No word on whether that less than half is a, 'less than virtual half'! What's this: 24 homicides in 2016, in total... that's it! Oh Argus!

I think it's more than half, closer to two thirds, but I don't think I need to bother looking, really. Even if it was half, do you not see how people might be concerned if a group which makes up perhaps 3% of the population is involved in half of homicides and shootings?
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I think it's more than half, closer to two thirds, but I don't think I need to bother looking, really. Even if it was half, do you not see how people might be concerned if a group which makes up perhaps 3% of the population is involved in half of homicides and shootings?

no - it's less than half... you can think (make up) anything you want to perpetuate your agenda. You're quite prepared and content to target a single year and in all your zealous puffery, use that single year event as a broadbrush statement - of course you are. And again, we're talking about 12 homicides... that's it! That's what has you shaking in your boots. If you look a little closer it seems the majority of those associate to young male Somali's (many just adolescents that grew up in a freakin war zone). Again, to you, when does a single year statistic rise above the anomaly that it truly is... at this point? 

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no - it's less than half... you can think (make up) anything you want to perpetuate your agenda. You're quite prepared and content to target a single year and in all your zealous puffery, use that single year event as a broadbrush statement - of course you are. And again, we're talking about 12 homicides... that's it! That's what has you shaking in your boots. If you look a little closer it seems the majority of those associate to young male Somali's (many just adolescents that grew up in a freakin war zone). Again, to you, when does a single year statistic rise above the anomaly that it truly is... at this point?

The Somalis in Ottawa have been heavily involved in violent crime since their arrival. It's not simply one year. It's very difficult, however, to find references to it in media since the media does its best not to mention the racial or ethnic makeup of street gangs, or even individual criminals. You only get references in passing, usually by mistake. For example, in one 'heartwarming' story in the Citizen about raising money for a Somali youth center a year or two back, it mentioned in passing, the great need for such a thing given more than half the juvenile prisoners under detention in the Ottawa area are Somalis. That's the only way you actually read anything in media.

But if you live here, you know. When the media reports a dozen 'youths' involved in a swarming on a bus, you know who they are. When the media reports two or three dozen 'youths' involved in a violent altercation, no one has to ask what the makeup was of the groups involved. For swarmings its about 80% Somali, for gang fights that don't use weapons it's usually Somalis and Lebanese. For street gang shootings it's Somalis with a few Haitians/Jamaicans thrown in for good measure, and a small number of Lebanese and associated Arabs. That's simply the reality here.
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No one has ever even implied that. It's just that this kind of thing rarely happens outside certain 'communities' mainly made up of swaggering, violent, macho men to whom women are there for breeding and cooking and nothing more.

If swaggering men who believe women are only there for breeding/cooking is the reason for ****, why do 20% of Canadian women still experience sexual assault?   

If **** is mainly a problem of societies/cultures who believe women should take the subordinate role, why aren't you directing your criticism to every single fundamentalist Christian group in Canada?  Jehovah's Witnesses, Mennonites, Mormons, Shakers, Quakers, Orthodox Catholics and Jews, Baptists - to name just a few?   


   


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Re: Editorial-- sniper shot is no cause for celebration.
« Reply #73 on: September 06, 2017, 03:18:10 pm »
Recently a Canadian sniper set a new record for longest confirmed kill-- killing a Daesh fighter preparing to ambush our allies from over 3.5 km away.  Prime Minister Trudeau said the achievement was “something to be celebrated for the excellence of the Canadian Forces in their training, in the performance of their duties.”

I agree-- first off, Trudeau framed it as celebrating the excellence of our Armed Forces personnel.  I see nothing wrong with that.  In fact, 3 of the 5 longest confirmed kills were performed by Canadian snipers. One American and one Brit are on the list.  The Canadians serving overseas no doubt took pride in the recognition.   And secondly, ISIS are the scum of the earth and I think that any death of a Daesh fighter is cause for celebration.

The Toronto Star feels this is entirely inappropriate, however.   Here they scold Trudeau for saying the sniper's achievement was cause for celebration. All life is valuable, they say, and that even the death of an ISIS fighter is cause for sober reflection on the loss of life.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2017/07/02/sniper-shot-is-no-cause-to-celebrate-editorial.html

To me it seems ridiculous. That guy, whoever he was, was fighting for a group responsible for sickening brutality. The world is a better place without him.  That's my view, at least. 

Am I a psychopath, or is the Toronto Star out of their freaking gourds?

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The Torstar or Red Star is becoming a parody, maybe of themselves.  This should be the stuff of standup comedians into sick jokes, not of a newspaper that pretends to be mainstream. The expression "jumping the shark" comes to mind, where a person or entity acts in a manner that they can no longer be taken seriously.
 
Unfortunately some SJW's will disagree. Just as I expect disagreement here, https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/canada-discussion-forum/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/  about hardened criminals.
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Re: Editorial-- sniper shot is no cause for celebration.
« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2017, 09:47:47 pm »
"SJWs" the truck nuts of internet jargon.