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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2018, 08:39:27 pm »
This claim that "Islamic terrorism is a non-issue" has been debunked by many.

I haven't got time to read three pages.  Does anyone actually claim that "Islamic terrorism is a non-issue"? 

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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2018, 08:41:30 pm »
When we got big and tough enough to fight off their attacks, you mean? Yes, unsurprisingly, when you grow to be the biggest kid on the block, the bullies seldom attack you.

The IRA was fighting against British domination of their homeland, and a far as I know didn't export terror outside Ireland - well, except to England, which made sense. The Fenians? Seriously? Whatever, they were also attacking the British who had taken over their homeland, and incidentally, treated them like dog meat there. Sikh terrorists aren't western based so no idea why that's even in there. They only exported terrorism against Indians anyway. That's why they didn't try to bomb Air Canada.

Western nations colonized most of the world. Most of the world is not attacking Westerners because of it. That includes Central/South America where the colonial hand of the US was very heavy indeed, and lingered well into the twentieth century. To blame western interference you have to explain why nobody else is producing these terrorist groups against the West. Africans have probably been damaged the most by colonialism and economic domination, and yet terrorism or even strong sentiment against westerners is absent outside Muslim states in the North. It's non-existent in Central and South America or in Asia, except where there are significant Muslim populations there, ie Indonesia/Malaysia/Philippines.

The IRA attacked in countries that they felt were oppressing them. The UK, but if the British were still in control of Canada, they would have been here as well, like the Fenians. The Sikh terrorists that brought down the Air India flight were based in BC. They also put a bomb on a CP Air flight to Tokyo that was to be transferred to an Air India flight. Instead it blew up during the transfer at Narita Airport and killed 2 Japanese baggage handlers and injured four others. It could have just as easily blown up that CP Air 747 if the flight had been a couple of hours late.

On edit. The bomb that brought down Air India 182 was also sent to Toronto on a CP flight.

There are terrorist groups active in several Central and South American countries that have nothing to do with Muslims. The ability of such groups to strike back against countries that interfere in their internal affairs is a quite recent thing made possible by modern technology. Nineteen and early twentieth century colonial subjects in Africa, Asia and the Middle East didn't not have the capability to strike in the heart of European or North American capitals.
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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2018, 08:42:12 pm »
I haven't got time to read three pages.  Does anyone actually claim that "Islamic terrorism is a non-issue"? 

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Of course it is.
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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2018, 08:44:28 pm »
Of course it is.

No, of course it isn't. 

There are many thousands of people who would disagree with you, but they're dead, so they can't.  So I do.


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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2018, 08:48:13 pm »
No, of course it isn't. 

There are many thousands of people who would disagree with you, but they're dead, so they can't.  So I do.

 ??? Poor communications skills? I meant it is an issue.
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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2018, 08:53:20 pm »
??? Poor communications skills? I meant it is an issue.

I wondered about that.  Your post seemed to say it was a "non issue".  I should have clarified before going off with both barrels.  Sorry about that.

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« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2018, 08:59:55 pm »
I wondered about that.  Your post seemed to say it was a "non issue".  I should have clarified before going off with both barrels.  Sorry about that.

No problem. On a reread I can see that my response could have been taken either way.
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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2018, 09:26:01 pm »
Maybe you forgot they did blow up a 747 with 268 Canadians aboard.

Indo-Canadians. And they were Sikh-Canadians. They were targeting the Indian government and Indians, not Canadians.
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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2018, 09:27:00 pm »
Without 9-11 stats. his theory falls flat.

No, it clearly doesn't. He eliminates that and still points out there were more Muslim terrorist attacks. Stop being a lazy ass and read the damn thing or else stop talking about it.
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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2018, 09:36:08 pm »
The IRA attacked in countries that they felt were oppressing them. The UK, but if the British were still in control of Canada, they would have been here as well, like the Fenians. The Sikh terrorists that brought down the Air India flight were based in BC. They also put a bomb on a CP Air flight to Tokyo that was to be transferred to an Air India flight. Instead it blew up during the transfer at Narita Airport and killed 2 Japanese baggage handlers and injured four others. It could have just as easily blown up that CP Air 747 if the flight had been a couple of hours late.

On edit. The bomb that brought down Air India 182 was also sent to Toronto on a CP flight.

None of that changes the fact that the target of the Sikhs was India, not Canada.

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There are terrorist groups active in several Central and South American countries that have nothing to do with Muslims. The ability of such groups to strike back against countries that interfere in their internal affairs is a quite recent thing made possible by modern technology.

There are terrorists in a lot of places, but they target their own country and people. Except, as far as I know, for Muslims.

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Nineteen and early twentieth century colonial subjects in Africa, Asia and the Middle East didn't not have the capability to strike in the heart of European or North American capitals.

And yet now that they have it they don't do it. As for the nineteenth century, Muslims were busily attacking and sinking western ships, slaughtering people, and taking them as slaves to sell in North Africa. When they British taught them that was a bad idea to attack British ships they turned on American ships, demanding tribute from the US. The US paid this for a while but that didn't stop the piracy and so the US had to do what others do, build up a navy and send it over there to kick ass. No colonialism going on there. The Ottoman empire ruled over most of the middle east then. Not kindly either.
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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2018, 09:39:33 pm »
No, it clearly doesn't. He eliminates that and still points out there were more Muslim terrorist attacks. Stop being a lazy ass and read the damn thing or else stop talking about it.


https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam

And as my colleague Zack Beauchamp has written, the average likelihood of an American being killed in a terrorist attack in which an immigrant participated in any given year is one in 3.6 million — even including the 9/11 deaths. The average American is more likely to die from their own clothing or a toddler with a gun than an immigrant terrorist. But we’re not banning guns and T-shirts from coming into the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/terrorism-right-wing-america-muslims-islam-white-supremacists-study-a7805831.html

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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2018, 10:09:10 pm »
You wish.

Sorry I gave you a dumb for that post.  I did it by accident and I can't remove it.  I deleted my post when I tried.  So I'm repeating it here.

(I've asked a mod to remove the dumb)

Unfortunately, I don't see that as being within my ability.

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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2018, 10:11:46 pm »
Indo-Canadians. And they were Sikh-Canadians. They were targeting the Indian government and Indians, not Canadians.

268 people on that aircraft were Canadian citizens.
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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2018, 10:14:42 pm »
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And yet now that they have it they don't do it. As for the nineteenth century, Muslims were busily attacking and sinking western ships, slaughtering people, and taking them as slaves to sell in North Africa. When they British taught them that was a bad idea to attack British ships they turned on American ships, demanding tribute from the US. The US paid this for a while but that didn't stop the piracy and so the US had to do what others do, build up a navy and send it over there to kick ass. No colonialism going on there. The Ottoman empire ruled over most of the middle east then. Not kindly either.

Less than a 100 years after Europeans were trading slaves out of Africa.
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Re: White Supremacy's Death Toll for 2017
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2018, 01:06:12 am »
No, you haven't, because no one has confronted me with 'facts'.

please sir, these facts are not... a confrontation! That being said, I trust you will accept a U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) Congressional Report... the U.S. GAO is the supreme audit institution of the federal government of the United States - the report itself based on the 'United States Extremist Crime Database (ECDB - sponsored/funded by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security)'

(per Politifact)

note: per the GAO report, 41% of the deaths caused by a radical Islamist during the reviewed period happened in one incident: the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting (by Omar Mateen, born in the United States to Afghan parents)... 74% of attacks resulting in death were caused by far-right violent extremists / 26% by radical Islamic violent extremists.