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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2020, 04:14:55 pm »
You already made a thread about this, put this there.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2020, 04:18:08 pm »
Trump admin is basically an arm of Netanyahu with that Kushner whispering sweet nothings into Trump's ear all day.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2020, 05:04:22 pm »
You already made a thread about this, put this there.

I suspect monty's strategy is if he scatters his BS into enough far flung places he may not get caught out as often as people simply begin to ignore.

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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2020, 04:40:29 pm »
Trump admin is basically an arm of Netanyahu with that Kushner whispering sweet nothings into Trump's ear all day.

Sure Gorgeous that could be, but AIPAC and the apartheid regime was tradionally the property of the Democrats. Now Trump has set things up in that evil ME farce they call a country so that Biden loses the Joo lobby if he touches it.

------------------------------- Then this story pops up on my monitor as I'm typing:

Syrian state media reports ‘Israeli aggression’ near Damascus & in southern Quneitra

Those swine are doing all they can to coax the US into a hot war with Iran. At least Syria should be safe now that there's a heavy Russian presence in Syria. Never mind the innocent lives lost under Zionist bombs made in America.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2020, 11:06:52 am »
Yesterday's assassination by the US, or the apartheid regime on behalf of the US, was the predicted provocation.

The US has a big problem. They want control over Iran's oil but Iran favours China and Russia.

But we have to wonder if Russia and China have ordered 'hands off' Iran, with the threat of nuclear retaliation. Iran will have to suffer the assassinations and do no more than covertly strike back at the US and the apartheid regime, for now.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2020, 11:38:17 am »
The good news on this issue is that Joe Biden is about to take office. He was the VP under Obama when the Iran Nuclear deal was originally signed and both he and Iran have expressed a wish to reenter that deal. Iran has blamed Israel for the attack and take a swat back at them, and as long as the folks in Washington can keep idiot Trump on the golf course until January peaceful progress may be possible.

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2020, 12:10:52 pm »
The good news on this issue is that Joe Biden is about to take office. He was the VP under Obama when the Iran Nuclear deal was originally signed and both he and Iran have expressed a wish to reenter that deal. Iran has blamed Israel for the attack and take a swat back at them, and as long as the folks in Washington can keep idiot Trump on the golf course until January peaceful progress may be possible.

Welcome back from the dark side.

Biden's association with Obama probably says much less than what you're imagining. One of the main reasons why is that Biden was a hawk before he become VP.
And you're assuming that Iran will be motivated to enter into another agreement, when the situation has changed so drastically since the original agreement. I would suggest that Iran is sitting in the cat's seat now and nothing but war on  Iran (by the US) is going to influence them.
Iran sits in a position in which they can dictate the terms of any agreement and those terms won't be acceptable to the US. The US's only interest in Iran is for their oil. Iran doesn't have a spring cabbage crop that the US needs. It has oil that both Russia and China need.

For a better explanation of how the situation is sitting in limbo now, see my new thread that expalins the situation fullly. Then offer a reasoned debate of the facts. Supposing you don't choose to go back to the dark side.

I recognize some ability when I see it. It's a shame to waste it here.

Fwiw, my new thread is posted on other boards where people 'do' appreciate a polite and reasoned debate. For me it's become of minor importance here so far.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2020, 12:31:32 pm »
Welcome back from the dark side.

Biden's association with Obama probably says much less than what you're imagining. One of the main reasons why is that Biden was a hawk before he become VP.
And you're assuming that Iran will be motivated to enter into another agreement, when the situation has changed so drastically since the original agreement. I would suggest that Iran is sitting in the cat's seat now and nothing but war on  Iran (by the US) is going to influence them.
Iran sits in a position in which they can dictate the terms of any agreement and those terms won't be acceptable to the US. The US's only interest in Iran is for their oil. Iran doesn't have a spring cabbage crop that the US needs. It has oil that both Russia and China need.

For a better explanation of how the situation is sitting in limbo now, see my new thread that expalins the situation fullly. Then offer a reasoned debate of the facts. Supposing you don't choose to go back to the dark side.

I recognize some ability when I see it. It's a shame to waste it here.

Fwiw, my new thread is posted on other boards where people 'do' appreciate a polite and reasoned debate. For me it's become of minor importance here so far.

Iran has already expressed interest in reentering the Nuclear deal created while Obama/Biden occupied the WH. Trump has imposed huge sanctions against Iran, especially their oil. He intends to try and apply more while he while he still can. So, Biden entering the Oval Office and getting started with reestablishing the nuclear deal is good news for all.

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2020, 12:48:56 pm »
Iran has already expressed interest in reentering the Nuclear deal created while Obama/Biden occupied the WH. Trump has imposed huge sanctions against Iran, especially their oil. He intends to try and apply more while he while he still can. So, Biden entering the Oval Office and getting started with reestablishing the nuclear deal is good news for all.

Can you provide a reference to Iran expressing interest in reentering a new deal? There is little doubt that Iran will get involved in a deal but they have expressed their demands for a much better deal than the previous one. With the US finding the previous one lacking, it looks much more likely that Iran is feeling quite safe now until it can dictate suitable terms.

You're right about Trump applying more sanctions on Iran. We should be able to see that as his efforts to satisfy US hawks and the Americans that back the hawks.

Trump's/Israel's actions have now stacked the deck against Biden being able to do anything in the way of a suitable agreement, even providing that Iran has any will to do so too.

There is lots of evidence of Iran's positions and demands. I won't post any because I would assume you are aware.

My position for you to address is the fact that Iran has no incentive to act favourable toward US/Israel demands. Iran's oil is the key to everything and there's no way that Russia and China are going to relinquish their holds.

It all begs for a major war to change the status on who owns Iran's oil.

("owns" in a nuanced way in which the favoured nations "own" the rights to buy it."
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2020, 01:02:45 pm »
Can you provide a reference to Iran expressing interest in reentering a new deal? There is little doubt that Iran will get involved in a deal but they have expressed their demands for a much better deal than the previous one. With the US finding the previous one lacking, it looks much more likely that Iran is feeling quite safe now until it can dictate suitable terms.

You're right about Trump applying more sanctions on Iran. We should be able to see that as his efforts to satisfy US hawks and the Americans that back the hawks.

Trump's/Israel's actions have now stacked the deck against Biden being able to do anything in the way of a suitable agreement, even providing that Iran has any will to do so too.

There is lots of evidence of Iran's positions and demands. I won't post any because I would assume you are aware.

My position for you to address is the fact that Iran has no incentive to act favourable toward US/Israel demands. Iran's oil is the key to everything and there's no way that Russia and China are going to relinquish their holds.

It all begs for a major war to change the status on who owns Iran's oil.

("owns" in a nuanced way in which the favoured nations "own" the rights to buy it."

Well there's this guy named Hassan Ruhanni expressing interest in returning to deal. He's Iran's president so I guess he pulls some weight on the issue eh?

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2020, 01:09:08 pm »
Well there's this guy named Hassan Ruhanni expressing interest in returning to deal. He's Iran's president so I guess he pulls some weight on the issue eh?

There's no need to resort to sarcasm when you are stuck with nothing to support your point. I asked you for evidence on Iran's position and you are probably declining to provide any because my comments on Iran's position is exactly correct.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2020, 01:38:06 pm »
There's no need to resort to sarcasm when you are stuck with nothing to support your point. I asked you for evidence on Iran's position and you are probably declining to provide any because my comments on Iran's position is exactly correct.

Here ya go l'il buddy:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-biden-nuclear-deal-1.5794425

Iran's president called on President-elect Joe Biden to "compensate for past mistakes" and return the U.S. to Tehran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, a state-run news agency reported Sunday.

Hassan Rouhani's comments mark the highest-level response from Iran to Biden and Vice-President-elect Kamala Harris clinching the Nov. 3 election.

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2020, 01:53:06 pm »
Here ya go l'il buddy:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-biden-nuclear-deal-1.5794425

Iran's president called on President-elect Joe Biden to "compensate for past mistakes" and return the U.S. to Tehran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, a state-run news agency reported Sunday.

Hassan Rouhani's comments mark the highest-level response from Iran to Biden and Vice-President-elect Kamala Harris clinching the Nov. 3 election.

Thank you. The title of your link makes my point for me.


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Iran's president calls on Biden to 'compensate for past mistakes,' return to nuclear deal

Do you see much opportunity for the US when they're told to compensate for their previous mistakes, when in fact the US is seeking a more solid deal in their favour.

And furthermore, aren't you aware that Biden himself has expressed his demands for a more secure deal for his country.

Again I am asking you to do some research that will allow you to appreciate Iran's much hardened position.

( you can dispense with the 'little buddy' act) (we all know it's being used as an attempt to add some weight to your lacking position)

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For your ongoing edification on the proposed reentering the agreement, be aware that Europe and especially Germany now has much less incentive to become a party that is favourable to US demands.

Iran is not a threat as an aggressor and never was. The European parties and Russia only became parties to the agreement for other reasons. Specifically Russia, for the benefit of ensuring that the US would have no justification for a war on Iran! It worked!

Why would you suppose the US would want a new agreement? Why would Biden even want an agreement? I suggest to you that it's never going to happen, and the reasons why it will never happen are contained in this message to you. Do your homework and then come back with a sensible rebuttal. And save the 'little buddy' stuff next time.
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2020, 01:59:54 pm »
Thank you. The title of your link makes my point for me.


Do you see much opportunity for the US when they're told to compensate for their previous mistakes, when in fact the US is seeking a more solid deal in their favour.

And furthermore, aren't you aware that Biden himself has expressed his demands for a more secure deal for his country.

Again I am asking you to do some research that will allow you to appreciate Iran's much hardened position.

( you can dispense with the 'little buddy' act) (we all know it's being used as an attempt to add some weight to your lacking position)

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For your ongoing edification on the proposed reentering the agreement, be aware that Europe and especially Germany now has much less incentive to become a party that is favourable to US demands.

Iran is not a threat as an aggressor and never was. The European parties and Russia only became parties to the agreement for other reasons. Specifically Russia, for the benefit of ensuring that the US would have no justification for a war on Iran! It worked!

Why would you suppose the US would want a new agreement? Why would Biden even want an agreement? I suggest to you that it's never going to happen, and the reasons why it will never happen are contained in this message to you. Do your homework and then come back with a sensible rebuttal. And save the 'little buddy' stuff next time.

Both the president of Iran and the president elect of the US both have expressed desire to reenter the nuclear deal. If you think the US needs Iranian oil so much than the lifting of sanctions would help there, and of course Iran's cash flow would certainly benefit. So you have incentives for all sides, hence the obvious reasons for expressions of desire to restart negotiations once the idiot trump is booted out.