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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #465 on: July 20, 2022, 02:03:09 pm »
So you’re saying it doesn’t happen at all?  Is that your position?

Pretty much, yeah. You're claiming otherwise so let's see some evidence.

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« Reply #466 on: July 20, 2022, 02:05:47 pm »
No, I was asking if you knew what the standard is.

Here's the bill, can you tell me what you find objectionable here?
Lol, now you’re filibustering.  Just admit that you have no idea what the details of the process is.

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« Reply #467 on: July 20, 2022, 02:25:03 pm »
Lol, now you’re filibustering.  Just admit that you have no idea what the details of the process is.
Asking for evidence to support an assertion is not filibustering. You appear to be admitting you have no evidence. But you would still like to get the state involved in a woman's deliberations with her doctor because...Big State Shady.

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« Reply #468 on: July 20, 2022, 04:22:25 pm »
Lol, now you’re filibustering.  Just admit that you have no idea what the details of the process is.

The process is there in the text of the bill. I'm asking you what part you find objectionable, but the fact you can't do so tells me you haven't read the bill and are simply repeating a talking point you read on whatever right wing outrage machine you are plugged into in lieu of independent thought.


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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #469 on: July 21, 2022, 02:34:34 pm »
Hey @Shady, any more to say on what your issues are with the anti-Nazi bill?

How about this one:

House passes legislation to enshrine a right to contraception in federal law


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The House voted 228-195 largely along party lines Thursday to pass legislation to codify the right to contraception nationwide, seeking to protect it from potential Supreme Court intervention.

The Right To Contraception Act, sponsored by Rep. Kathy Manning, D-N.C., would establish a right in federal law for individuals to obtain and use contraceptives. It would also affirm a right for health care providers to provide contraceptives and allow the Justice Department and entities harmed by contraception restrictions to seek enforcement of the right in court.

Only eight Republicans voted with all 220 Democrats on the bill.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #470 on: July 21, 2022, 04:21:58 pm »
Democrats continue to turn American society into a clown show.  “Women” get female inmates pregnant now.  All thanks to libtards. It would be an easy problem to fix, keep biological males and biological females in separate facilities. But nope, Dems gonna Dem! 😂

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The civilian oversight board that investigates Sheriff’s Department misconduct allegations has found credible a spate of complaints filed by a transgender woman who was badly beaten after being placed in a cell with three men at the San Diego Central Jail.

Kristina Frost was arrested in November 2020, wearing women’s clothing and carrying a California driver’s license identifying her as a woman, and was placed in a Central Jail holding cell with three men.

One of those men beat her severely, breaking her jaw, and deputies failed to respond immediately, she says in her federal lawsuit.

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Here's an actual link to the story Shiddy is referencing above.

And here's a link to a story about the history of rampant sexual abuse of inmates by staff at the very same prison in this story, but weird how bigots like him don't seem too concerned with this stuff unless it involves trans people.
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« Reply #471 on: July 22, 2022, 06:35:40 pm »
How can a party pretend to be for freedom while voting against people's right to access contraception?

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« Reply #472 on: July 22, 2022, 06:44:24 pm »
How can a party pretend to be for freedom while voting against people's right to access contraception?

They think that not becoming pregnant is akin to murder.  We don’t have the freedom to murder either. 



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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #473 on: July 25, 2022, 10:00:25 am »
This is as good an explanation as I've ever seen about the pathologies that animate the conservative movement.

Anti-social Conservatives: The Republican party is against society


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The belief that society doesn’t exist, or shouldn’t, is a rejection of neighborliness and trust, a democratic civic culture, and the possibility of encountering those unlike yourself on equal ground. It is, in a way, an attempt to make the world your home — a place of safety and control. Of course the right despises “social justice”: it implies that domestic hierarchies and private prejudices will no longer be reproduced or tolerated “out there.”
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The right benefits from people becoming more isolated, hunkered down, wary of others, and doubtful that a better future can be built. It is to such people that the reactionary message appeals: the best you can hope for is to hoard what you have, and attack the shadowy forces and alien others that you’re told imperil you and your livelihood. Solidarity and generosity are turned into risky wagers not worth taking.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #474 on: July 25, 2022, 09:58:36 pm »
This is as good an explanation as I've ever seen about the pathologies that animate the conservative movement.

Anti-social Conservatives: The Republican party is against society


Pretty good explanation, in the article.

Many Americans generally have fundamentally different ways of looking at government and politics compared to most Canadians.  In a place like Texas they just think differently.

America was born out of revolution that rebelled against a tyrannical government, and the US constitution was built specifically from preventing that from happening again. Thus many Americans are independent and distrustful of government by nature, conservatives especially .  They push government out of their lives.  They are classical liberals of the John Locke and Adam Smith psychology.

Canada was born out slow incremental changes, a country filled with loyalists to the monarchy (including many loyalists who fled the US to British North America aka Canada during the US revolution) and full independence wasn't achieved until 1984.  By nature Canadians don't distrust government as much as Americans do.

Canadians have a more maternalistic view of government and the role of "society":  we as citizens should be compassionate about our neighbours and help people in need to get ahead in life.  Americans are more like "leave me and my family the hell alone, we're none of your business, we can take care of ourselves, now get the hell off my property before I shoot you".  The anti-communist/anti-socialist propaganda during the Cold War just cemented things further.  It's a different mindset, and it's such a part of the culture going back centuries that it's hard to change people's minds even when the evidence shows they're wrong.  Americans (especially non-urban, non-cosmopolitan types) tend to not experience cultures outside their own country which just makes it even to tougher for them to realize that there are actually different ways of doing things that may actually work better.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #475 on: July 26, 2022, 10:02:42 am »
Canadians have a more maternalistic view of government and the role of "society":  we as citizens should be compassionate about our neighbours and help people in need to get ahead in life.  Americans are more like "leave me and my family the hell alone, we're none of your business, we can take care of ourselves, now get the hell off my property before I shoot you".  The anti-communist/anti-socialist propaganda during the Cold War just cemented things further.  It's a different mindset, and it's such a part of the culture going back centuries that it's hard to change people's minds even when the evidence shows they're wrong.  Americans (especially non-urban, non-cosmopolitan types) tend to not experience cultures outside their own country which just makes it even to tougher for them to realize that there are actually different ways of doing things that may actually work better.

Americans also hate the idea of society because they can't stand the idea that *those people* might benefit from it.
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« Reply #476 on: July 29, 2022, 10:31:52 am »
Looks like the Dems actually put one over on the GOP

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) reached their agreement on a major tax and climate package Tuesday evening but kept it a closely guard secret — giving Democrats just enough time to pass a $280 billion chips and science bill that Republicans would have otherwise blocked. 

The announcement of the deal, which would raise $739 billion in new tax revenue, fund an array of new climate provisions and pay down $300 billion of the federal deficit, came as a complete surprise to their Senate colleagues.
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Republicans who voted for tens of billions of dollars for the domestic semiconductor manufacturing industry and the National Science Foundation were outraged and felt betrayed.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), a key player in getting the chips and science bill passed, said he received “assurance privately from some Democrats, including the staff of the Senate majority leader, that the tax and climate provisions were off the table,” which Republicans said would be a precondition for moving the chips bill. 

Cornyn took to the Senate floor Thursday afternoon to rail against the secret climate and tax deal.

“How can we negotiate in good faith, compromise where necessary, and get things done together after the majority leader and the senator from West Virginia pull a stunt like this?” he said with rising exasperation. “To look you in the eye and tell you one thing and to do another is absolutely unforgivable.”
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« Reply #477 on: July 29, 2022, 11:10:01 am »
Looks like the Dems actually put one over on the GOP

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) reached their agreement on a major tax and climate package Tuesday evening but kept it a closely guard secret — giving Democrats just enough time to pass a $280 billion chips and science bill that Republicans would have otherwise blocked. 

The announcement of the deal, which would raise $739 billion in new tax revenue, fund an array of new climate provisions and pay down $300 billion of the federal deficit, came as a complete surprise to their Senate colleagues.
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Republicans who voted for tens of billions of dollars for the domestic semiconductor manufacturing industry and the National Science Foundation were outraged and felt betrayed.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), a key player in getting the chips and science bill passed, said he received “assurance privately from some Democrats, including the staff of the Senate majority leader, that the tax and climate provisions were off the table,” which Republicans said would be a precondition for moving the chips bill. 

Cornyn took to the Senate floor Thursday afternoon to rail against the secret climate and tax deal.

“How can we negotiate in good faith, compromise where necessary, and get things done together after the majority leader and the senator from West Virginia pull a stunt like this?” he said with rising exasperation. “To look you in the eye and tell you one thing and to do another is absolutely unforgivable.”

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Yep, the great Joe Biden is going to tackle inflation by printing hundreds of billions more dollars! 😂😂😂
Everyone knows I don’t like Trudeau, but at least he’s not this stupid.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #478 on: July 29, 2022, 11:32:14 am »
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Yep, the great Joe Biden is going to tackle inflation by printing hundreds of billions more dollars! 😂😂😂
Everyone knows I don’t like Trudeau, but at least he’s not this stupid.


You cry about inflation and then you cry about recessions caused by inflation-fighting rate hikes. Why, it's like you're a partisan bad-faith hack loser or something.

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« Reply #479 on: July 29, 2022, 12:58:56 pm »

You cry about inflation and then you cry about recessions caused by inflation-fighting rate hikes. Why, it's like you're a partisan bad-faith hack loser or something.
If the Biden administration had acted sooner, the economy might have had a chance for a soft landing.  But they kept insisting that inflation was “transitory”, which anyone could see wasn’t the case.  They reap what they sow.