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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #390 on: May 18, 2022, 11:01:12 pm »
I didn't say Canada was never racist.

Again, if your argument is that Canada was founded as a white nationalist nation-state you're just giving ammo to the white nationalists in Canada.

You make no sense.  You’re all over the map.

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« Reply #391 on: May 19, 2022, 09:49:35 am »
These are different cultures.  There's no "Canadian culture" that rules Canada, or which Canada was founded upon.  Its a nation of nations.  You can't say that about the vast majority of other countries in Europe or Asia.

Multiculturalism in Canada is a relatively new phenomenon. For most of this place's history, the ruling class worked very hard to keep non-white cultures out.

That's not to say non-white cultures didn't play a role in building this country, but that was often in spite of efforts to keep them down.

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If you think Canada is a "white country" then congrats you're on the side of the white nationalists.

The difference between the view that Canada was founded as white settler state and the white nationalist view is whether or not that was a good thing and something to return to.
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« Reply #392 on: May 19, 2022, 11:47:31 am »
Multiculturalism in Canada is a relatively new phenomenon. For most of this place's history, the ruling class worked very hard to keep non-white cultures out.

Well multiculturalism has always existed in Canada, but yes for white people originally.  The anglos and french for instance are 2 different cultures.

What i'm saying is there's no single cultural/ethnic group to claim "rightful dominance" over Canada, or at least the claim is weaker than many other countries.  This is a good thing based on our demographic changes, it means we're more willing to accept immigrants.  In ie: Italy or Japan there's a single distinct ethnicity based on culture, language, and possibly race (Italians look different than other white people, even).  So in Italy they're going to have a lot more problems than Canada in dealing with these demographic changes where people of Italian ethnicity are reducing in numbers and non-Italians increasing.  Quebec would be the exception, but Quebec nationalism seems mostly based on language, with some racial and religious elements.

The US also has the idea that no matter where you come from, you can be American (though some of the Nazis disagree).  But I don't know if in ie: Italy many will truly accept ie: a black Prime Minister as "a real Italian".
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« Reply #393 on: May 19, 2022, 12:04:11 pm »
There IS something to this though.  The Americans hated the French.  Also didn't like Indians much.

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« Reply #394 on: May 19, 2022, 12:18:44 pm »
Well multiculturalism has always existed in Canada, but yes for white people originally.  The anglos and french for instance are 2 different cultures.

Both white tho

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What i'm saying is there's no single cultural/ethnic group to claim "rightful dominance" over Canada, or at least the claim is weaker than many other countries.  This is a good thing based on our demographic changes, it means we're more willing to accept immigrants.  In ie: Italy or Japan there's a single distinct ethnicity based on culture, language, and possibly race (Italians look different than other white people, even).  So in Italy they're going to have a lot more problems than Canada in dealing with these demographic changes where people of Italian ethnicity are reducing in numbers and non-Italians increasing.  Quebec would be the exception, but Quebec nationalism seems mostly based on language, with some racial and religious elements.

The US also has the idea that no matter where you come from, you can be American (though some of the Nazis disagree).  But I don't know if in ie: Italy many will truly accept ie: a black Prime Minister as "a real Italian".

That's fair enough, but I do think you understate the extent to which the concept of a rightful owner if you will still exists. I mean we had a PM talking about "old stock Canadians" like a decade ago and everyone knew what he meant.
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« Reply #395 on: May 19, 2022, 01:47:19 pm »
I found this to be an interesting thread. They get roasted in the replies, but the lays bare a significant conservative pathology: no one thinks they are cool.

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the “working-class GOP” narrative is complicated by the fact that lots of Republican voters are actually quite wealthy. But the distinction between the two coalitions isn’t defined by wealth, but by proximity to power

"Power" in this case isn't being defined in material terms like money or even political influence, but as cultural cachet. Sure, rural/exuburban conservatives are rich and benefit from a system designed to given them outsized representation, but there's only like two TV shows that aren't woke and no one listens to Christian rock and it drives them insane.

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« Reply #396 on: May 19, 2022, 02:07:17 pm »
Jesus Christ, the mask is completely off.

CPAC Head Promotes Abortion Ban to Stave Off ‘Great Replacement’


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Matt Schlapp, the head of the influential Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) and a confidant to former President Donald Trump, says that overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide, would be a good “first step” in fixing what he says is the problem of immigration in the U.S.
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“If you say there is a population problem in a country, but you’re killing millions of your own people through legalized abortion every year, if that were to be reduced, some of that problem is solved,” Schlapp said. “You have millions of people who can take many of these jobs. How come no one brings that up? If you’re worried about this quote-unquote replacement, why don’t we start there? Start with allowing our own people to live.”

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« Reply #397 on: May 19, 2022, 02:24:42 pm »
He's an idiot of course. An abortion ban will have the biggest effect on the very minorities he hates so much.
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« Reply #398 on: May 19, 2022, 03:17:33 pm »
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« Reply #399 on: May 20, 2022, 09:45:30 am »
lol

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Tucker Carlson and his wife were looking to get their son a leg up in his college application to Georgetown University when they turned to a well-connected Washington friend who had an even better-connected father.

“I realize you don’t really know Buckley,” Susie Carlson wrote via email in 2014 to Hunter Biden, a Georgetown graduate and the son of the then-vice president. “Maybe you could meet or speak to him and he could send you a very brief resume with his interests and grades attached.”
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« Reply #400 on: May 24, 2022, 12:36:57 pm »
This is the kind of insane stuff you have to perform when you make the culture war the alpha and omega of your politics.

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There are few things politicians love more than creating jobs and cutting ribbons.

But what if those jobs are on the wrong side of the culture war?

Plans to build a massive electric vehicle factory in rural Georgia have divided Republicans ahead of their primary next week, with Donald Trump-backed David Perdue criticizing rival Gov. Brian Kemp for offering taxpayer incentives to attract a “George Soros-owned woke corporation whose stated purpose is to combat climate change.”

Rivian, the well-capitalized electric pickup truck company that had one of the biggest IPOs in history six months ago, wants to spend $5 billion on a new assembly plant on farmland outside Atlanta. The mammoth factory will create 7,500 jobs and produce up to 400,000 cars a year in what officials say is the largest economic development project in Georgia’s history.

But the price tag for the deal was $1.5 billion in taxpayer incentives. And Perdue, a former U.S. senator, and other Republicans say Kemp cut a bad deal with a bad company.

“It’s a woke California company whose mission is to turn the world green,” Perdue said this month while stumping with local activists trying to stop the plant. “They aren’t interested in this part of the country. They just want to make money off of us."

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« Reply #401 on: May 24, 2022, 12:57:32 pm »
This is the kind of insane stuff you have to perform when you make the culture war the alpha and omega of your politics.

Maybe Rivian should build their plant in Michigan….   Oh, wait…. Unions and decent wages?  Never mind…. Georgia, it is.
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« Reply #402 on: May 24, 2022, 12:57:44 pm »
Uh....

They should look up the FOXCONN deal in Wisconsin.

Unwoke idiots asking to lose money to scams...

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« Reply #403 on: May 25, 2022, 01:39:09 pm »
Difficult to tell if these DINOs are stupid, bad faith actors, crooked or just all of the above.

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Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Tuesday he would do “anything I can” to help pass what he called “common sense” legislation to address gun violence in the wake of a horrific shooting in Texas, where at least 19 kids and two teachers died when a gunman opened fire at an elementary school.

“It makes no sense at all why we can’t do common sense things and try to prevent some of this from happening. It’s all just unbelievable how we’ve gotten as a society that someone could be that deranged and this sick,” Manchin lamented.

But when asked if he would support eliminating the filibuster in order to overcome unified Republican opposition to such legislation, Manchin, a staunch filibuster advocate, reiterated that he would not go that far.

“The filibuster is the only thing that prevents us from total insanity,” Manchin told reporters, repeating an argument he has made on other issues, including on voting rights.
The senator has emphasized the importance of protecting the input of the minority in the Senate.

“You would think there would be enough common sense” in the Senate to pass gun control legislation without nuking the filibuster, Manchin added.

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Then there's this piece of trash.

If these people had any shame, they would drown themselves in the Potomac.

EDIT: lol the hits keep coming

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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer pledged Wednesday to renew his efforts to pass stricter U.S. gun-control laws, but acknowledged that Republicans will likely block new firearm regulations even after a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at a Texas elementary school.

Schumer, the chamber’s top Democrat, implored his Republican colleagues to resist the influence of the National Rifle Association, a powerful pro-gun lobbying group, and join Democrats to discuss what measures Congress could pass to reduce mass shootings.

“Please, please, please, damn it, put yourself in the shoes of these parents for once,” the New York lawmaker said from the Senate floor a day after the teenage gunman killed 21 people in Uvalde, Texas.

“Maybe that thought — putting yourself in the shoes of these parents instead of the arms of the NRA — might let you wriggle free from the vise-like grip of the NRA,” Schumer added, “might free you to act on even a simple measure.”

Same guy yesterday:

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I know not all Republicans embrace the views of MAGA Republicans. I know many of them support women’s rights and embrace diversity and reject conspiracies like white replacement.

I urge these Republicans in the Senate and in the country to repudiate the MAGA wing taking over the GOP. I invite the voters to support Democratic candidates as a protest against extremism, so we as a nation can halt the dangerous rise of the hard-right.

There's two possibilities here:

1. Schumer believes, against the preponderance of evidence, that there's such a thing as reasonable Republicans
2. He knows there aren't and this stuff is just theatre, a way of justifying Democrat impotence while propping up the status quo.

I'm not sure which is worse.
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