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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #360 on: May 18, 2022, 09:59:13 am »
Oh wait I forgot there's a giant power struggle between the establishment Republicans and the Trump Nazis and she's the establishment's new leader.

I don't think there's much of a struggle. The establishment has already lost.

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This party just needs to die.

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« Reply #361 on: May 18, 2022, 11:19:39 am »
They can't feel the impact of their extreme policies if they're not reported on by FOX.

Fox's online report didn't mention the Buffalo shooter's racist comments, which parallel comments by Tucker Carlson.

I thunk blaming Tucker is ridiculous.  It's like blaming people who criticized US foreign policy in the middle east for 9/11.  There's a big difference between a political opinion and murdering innocent people to further a political opinion.
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« Reply #362 on: May 18, 2022, 11:31:45 am »
I thunk blaming Tucker is ridiculous.  It's like blaming people who criticized US foreign policy in the middle east for 9/11.  There's a big difference between a political opinion and murdering innocent people to further a political opinion.

You can't blame him nor can you excuse him for making it worse.
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« Reply #363 on: May 18, 2022, 11:42:19 am »
I thunk blaming Tucker is ridiculous.  It's like blaming people who criticized US foreign policy in the middle east for 9/11. 

Critics of US foreign policy never featured nightly on the most watched cable news program on the planet and didn't take their views from reading bin Laden and other jihadi writings on the subject the way Tucker pulls from Stormfront and 8Chan.

Also important: the people who were critical of US foreign policy and its role in destroying democracy, fostering dictatorships and potential blowback had valid points. The people claiming there's a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race through interbreeding with brown people do not.

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There's a big difference between a political opinion and murdering innocent people to further a political opinion.

This is totally fatuous as it requires ignoring the actual substance of the "political opinion" in question.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #364 on: May 18, 2022, 11:53:08 am »
You can't blame him nor can you excuse him for making it worse.

You can absolutely blame him.

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« Reply #365 on: May 18, 2022, 01:04:28 pm »
You can absolutely blame him.

Right.  But he is not THE cause of this.  He's a willful participant
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« Reply #366 on: May 18, 2022, 01:10:37 pm »
Right.  But he is not THE cause of this.  He's a willful participant

He's A cause.

This is an actual Tucker Carlson monologue:

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You've got to ask yourself, as you watch the historic tragedy that is Joe Biden's immigration policy, what's the point of this?

Nothing about it is an accident, obviously. It's intentional. Joe Biden did it on purpose, but why? Why would a president do this to his own country? No sane first-world nation opens its borders to the world.

Promising the poorest people on the planet that they can have endless free taxpayer funded services if they show up and break your laws? That's not just stupid, it's suicidal.

For generations, middle-class Americans have had access to the best healthcare in the world, but not anymore. That's over for good. Our system cannot handle this many destitute newcomers, period. Imagine what hospitals are going to look like a year from now. How about schools?

What Joe Biden is doing now will change this country forever. So again, why is he doing it? There's only one plausible answer. You're not allowed to say it out loud, CNN will attack you if you do. The social media companies will shut you down. The Southern Poverty Law Center will call you dangerous, you could lose your bank account. The left has become completely unhinged and hysterical and that's how you know it's true. They only censor the true things.

An unrelenting stream of immigration. But why? Well, Joe Biden just said it, to change the racial mix of the country. That's the reason, to reduce the political power of people whose ancestors lived here, and dramatically increase the proportion of Americans newly-arrived from the third world. And then Biden went further, he said that non-white DNA is the quote, "the source of our strength." Imagine saying that. This is the language of eugenics, it's horrifying. But there's a reason Biden said it.

In political terms, this policy is called "the great replacement," the replacement of legacy Americans with more obedient people from far-away countries. They brag about it all the time, but if you dare to say it's happening they will scream at you with maximum hysteria.

If you constantly tell people that foreigners are coming to try and destroy your country, your way of life, your race, you should expect that they will act. This is stochastic terrorism.
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« Reply #367 on: May 18, 2022, 01:39:11 pm »
You can't blame him nor can you excuse him for making it worse.

So if he’s making something worse, shouldn’t he be held accountable for that (blamed)?

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« Reply #368 on: May 18, 2022, 02:31:48 pm »
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #369 on: May 18, 2022, 02:45:44 pm »
Critics of US foreign policy never featured nightly on the most watched cable news program on the planet and didn't take their views from reading bin Laden and other jihadi writings on the subject the way Tucker pulls from Stormfront and 8Chan.

Also important: the people who were critical of US foreign policy and its role in destroying democracy, fostering dictatorships and potential blowback had valid points. The people claiming there's a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race through interbreeding with brown people do not.

If someone claims "brown people are replacing white people" they have a valid point.  If someone claims "there's a Jewish conspiracy to replace white people with brown people" they don't have a valid point because there's no evidence and its totally ridiculous logically.  If someone claims "Democrats want more POC in the US because it gives them more votes" this is not an unreasonable thesis, but the evidence is hard to come by to prove the thesis.  Which one Tucker peddles I have no idea since i don't watch his show.

edit: ok i read the monologue you posted, it's the last one apparently.

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You can absolutely blame him.

No you can't.  He's responsible for his opinions only.  If he advocates violence, then he's at fault yes.  Go sue him in a court of law for being responsible for the Buffalo attacks, he will get off scot free because he had absolutely nothing to do with them in any way whatsoever.

If a pro-choice advocate goes and murders a conservative SCOTUS justice we can't go blame Don Lemon for it because he's "whipping up anger" on CNN every night because of the Roe v Wade repeal.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #370 on: May 18, 2022, 02:58:25 pm »
If someone claims "brown people are replacing white people" they have a valid point.  If someone claims "there's a Jewish conspiracy to replace white people with brown people" they don't have a valid point because there's no evidence and its totally ridiculous logically.  If someone claims "Democrats want more POC in the US because it gives them more votes" this is not an unreasonable thesis, but the evidence is hard to come by to prove the thesis.  Which one Tucker peddles I have no idea since i don't watch his show.

So you don't know what Tucker has to say and where he falls on this, but you're still nonetheless confident that he cannot be blamed. OK then.

If it helps, I posted a transcription of a Tucker monologue just up thread in which he talks about Biden trying to "change the racial mix of the country" with "non-white" DNA from the third world. It's straight up Nazi stuff.

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No you can't. He's responsible for his opinions only.  If he advocates violence, then he's at fault yes. 

This is retarded. No one actually believes demagogues like that are just sharing their opinions and not expecting any kind of action, or that you can suggest violence without explicitly calling for it.

Mobster: "Nice place you got here, shame if it burned down."
Nipples: "He's obviously concerned with the state of the sprinkler system."

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Go sue him in a court of law for being responsible for the Buffalo attacks, he will get off scot free because he had absolutely nothing to do with them in any way whatsoever.

Like that proves jack sh*t.

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If a pro-choice advocate goes and murders a conservative SCOTUS justice we can't go blame Don Lemon for it because he's "whipping up anger" on CNN every night because of the Roe v Wade repeal.

It depends entirely on the content of the message. But given your admitted ignorance of the content of Carlson's message, I can see why you don't want to address that side.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #371 on: May 18, 2022, 03:11:48 pm »
This is retarded. No one actually believes demagogues like that are just sharing their opinions and not expecting any kind of action, or that you can suggest violence without explicitly calling for it.

So your argument is that Tucker Carlson is implicitly advocating violence?   That's as nutty as the theory that Jews are behind a replacement.

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Mobster: "Nice place you got here, shame if it burned down."
Nipples: "He's obviously concerned with the state of the sprinkler system."

That's not at all comparable lol.

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Like that proves jack sh*t.

It proves he's not legally liable in any way.

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It depends entirely on the content of the message. But given your admitted ignorance of the content of Carlson's message, I can see why you don't want to address that side.

I did see his monologue you posted.  While I do know that some racist people are happy for the white population to decrease (ie: see below, if you also want to see some Nazi sh*t), whether the Democrats or Joe Biden want that I don't believe is supported by evidence.  So yeah Tucker is peddling some murky race-baiting stuff.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #372 on: May 18, 2022, 03:16:25 pm »
1. So your argument is that Tucker Carlson is implicitly advocating violence?   That's as nutty as the theory that Jews are behind a replacement.

2. It proves he's not legally liable in any way.

 
1. Not at all - the Nazis vilified the Jews long before violence started - Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Jew Suss were the tools back then.
2. Of course he isn't.  FOX has lawyers of course...

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #373 on: May 18, 2022, 03:42:14 pm »
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If someone claims "brown people are replacing white people" they have a valid point.

What valid point are they making?

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« Reply #374 on: May 18, 2022, 04:01:15 pm »
So your argument is that Tucker Carlson is implicitly advocating violence?   That's as nutty as the theory that Jews are behind a replacement.

I think violence is a predictable consequence of his rhetoric, which is, again, directly lifted from Nazis who aren't so shy about using eliminationist language.

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That's not at all comparable lol.

It's not a comparison, it's a comment/joke about your naďve willingness to accept what people say at face value and not see the subtext.

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It proves he's not legally liable in any way.

Who gives a ****? We're not talking about legal liability but moral culpability.

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I did see his monologue you posted.  While I do know that some racist people are happy for the white population to decrease (ie: see below, if you also want to see some Nazi sh*t), whether the Democrats or Joe Biden want that I don't believe is supported by evidence.  So yeah Tucker is peddling some murky race-baiting stuff.

People jokingly cheering a comedy monologue is Nazi sh*t? Lol nice bothsidesing attempt. 

I would really like to know what compelled you to leap to Tucker's defense without actually knowing anything about what he's been saying.