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Online Michael Hardner

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #315 on: May 14, 2022, 06:15:12 pm »

I don’t know why we don’t work on making things more affordable for families, making higher education available to everyone instead importing educated people.

The status quo seems to be a short term fix.

The parties in power believe the trickle down theory.

They're terrified of constraining growth, wealth, power


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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #316 on: May 14, 2022, 07:43:28 pm »
Some kid shot up a supermarket in Buffalo today after posting a white supremacist manifesto online about the “great replacement” so great job Tucker, great job GOP.

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« Reply #317 on: May 14, 2022, 09:08:21 pm »
Special rights for a fetus that a 5 year old doesn’t have to be able to use another human being’s body against their will. 

If a 5 year old can’t have their parent’s blood without their consent, why should a fetus?

Ok just remove with without assaulting it then. Good luck with that!
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« Reply #318 on: May 14, 2022, 09:16:02 pm »
Ok just remove with without assaulting it then. Good luck with that!

Doest matter how it’s removed.  It has no right to do that. 

Just like a 5 year old can be left to die a painful death, unless there is consent. 

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #319 on: May 15, 2022, 12:41:55 am »
Doest matter how it’s removed.  It has no right to do that. 

Just like a 5 year old can be left to die a painful death, unless there is consent.

There's a big difference between leaving someone to die (doing absolutely nothing) and willfully assaulting someone with intent to kill.
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« Reply #320 on: May 15, 2022, 09:00:40 am »
There's a big difference between leaving someone to die (doing absolutely nothing) and willfully assaulting someone with intent to kill.

Yeah, one is self defence. 
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #321 on: May 15, 2022, 05:00:15 pm »
Ironically a huge reason people have less kids is because life is so expensive. An extra bedroom is hundreds of thousands of dollars. Salaries haven’t kept up with inflation so both parents need to work.

We then favour immigrants who enrich the country (obviously that makes sense) but a side effect is they make life even more expensive for those already here, including first generation immigrants.

I don’t know why we don’t work on making things more affordable for families, making higher education available to everyone instead importing educated people.

The status quo seems to be a short term fix.

Agree with most of that. As far as higher education goes, help should be given in the fields your society actually needs. Competent trades are in very short supply these days, arts graduates aren't.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #322 on: May 15, 2022, 07:12:55 pm »
Agree with most of that. As far as higher education goes, help should be given in the fields your society actually needs. Competent trades are in very short supply these days, arts graduates aren't.

The idea that higher ed should simply be a path to wage labour is extremely depressing.
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« Reply #323 on: May 15, 2022, 07:38:01 pm »
The idea that higher ed should simply be a path to wage labour is extremely depressing.

Its also depressing to spend 4 years getting a history or philosophy degree and be almost as unemployable as when you started.

IMO for 90% of the population who aren't rich spending 4 years on a degree of little to no labour value is largely a waste of money and time that could have been almost equally served through 20 bucks in late fees at the local library.  Society can pay for libraries but not waste of time degrees.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #324 on: May 15, 2022, 08:21:14 pm »
A liberal arts education was never meant to teach a trade. But it prepares you to pursue advanced degrees or employment when you're done. That was always the point, and it's only useless to those who don't bother to learn anything.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #325 on: May 15, 2022, 08:37:35 pm »
A liberal arts education was never meant to teach a trade. But it prepares you to pursue advanced degrees or employment when you're done. That was always the point, and it's only useless to those who don't bother to learn anything.

Two of the better program managers I have worked with in IT had general arts degrees.  I don't understand who these people are who think a mechanical engineering degree is "smarter" than a history degree.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #326 on: May 15, 2022, 09:16:14 pm »
Its also depressing to spend 4 years getting a history or philosophy degree and be almost as unemployable as when you started.

This is very much not true. At my old job (in finance) when they were hiring for back office work they candidates had to have a degree. Most were in the arts, but once in the field they had the opportunity to take securities courses and start their lucrative careers which would not have been available to them with a high school diploma. The EA in that office earned six figures... also English lit major.

In my current job (in accounting) we have a few who work in corporate secretarial positions, again the requirement is a university degree. There are several of them with arts degrees and they all make close to six figures as well.

It may not be a vocational degree like finance or marketing but in a corporate setting, it opens more doors than a high school diploma.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #327 on: May 15, 2022, 09:18:52 pm »
Agree with most of that. As far as higher education goes, help should be given in the fields your society actually needs. Competent trades are in very short supply these days, arts graduates aren't.

I think we're doing that aren't we?

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #328 on: May 15, 2022, 10:26:37 pm »
Two of the better program managers I have worked with in IT had general arts degrees.  I don't understand who these people are who think a mechanical engineering degree is "smarter" than a history degree.

Mechanical engineering degree > history degree.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #329 on: May 15, 2022, 11:29:50 pm »
I think we're doing that aren't we?

I would hope so, we should only be subsidizing university degrees that are in demand by industry or needed by our society like doctors, nurses etc. While they may be worthwhile, anything else is a hobby as far as the tax payer is concerned.
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