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« Reply #255 on: May 11, 2022, 04:22:23 am »
Mob justice is becoming more commonplace in the US.  When people lose faith in their institutions, they resort to violence.  This isn't good at all: 
My favourite recent tweet commented on how the "Fork your feelings" crowd have a lot of feelings about the blackout-rapist judge getting his lawn trampled.
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« Reply #256 on: May 11, 2022, 09:01:41 am »
Mob justice is becoming more commonplace in the US.  When people lose faith in their institutions, they resort to violence.  This isn't good at all:  https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097803459/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-access-protest-alito
No, its not good. But the republican party has been taking steps to encourage violence for years, with the liberals expecting to just "sit back and take it".

They have defunded government groups meant to curtail the activities of white nationalists. They have failed to deal with Stubby McBonespurs after his support of a violent coup attempt, as well as after he declared neo-nazis "fine people". They have spent more time criticising BLM protesters (who have the idea that "maybe the cops shouldn't kill so many black people") than they have the police, who are the ones actually doing the killing. And now the supreme court (which has been stacked by right-wing partisan hacks by republicans) is going to force half the U.S. politicians into being baby factories.

Given the general trends over the past decade, I think anger on the part of the political left is completely understandable and justified.

In fact, given the fact that the U.S. has been steadily slow-walking into being a right-wing authoritarian hell-scape, perhaps an open violent civil war might be the only thing to shock the system back into any sense of normalcy.
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Its also not good to see leaks from the SCOTUS.  Justices need to be free from public pressure on their decisions in order to remain impartial.  But that's been thrown out a long time ago.
Umm... what type of "fantasy world" do you live in to think republican judges were impartial to begin with?

Idiots and gullible fools like yourself seem to be trying to push this utopian vision of the hard working politically neutral supreme court. But the fact is, it has been stacked by political hacks that were picked by the right-wing Federalist society. Impartiality won't be impacted because it never existed in the first place.

And why do you think they "need to be free from public pressure"? The supreme court should not operate in a vacuum... they should recognize the impact and ramifications of their rulings.


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« Reply #257 on: May 11, 2022, 09:14:59 am »
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Your whole argument seems to be "let the U.S. become a fascist hell-hole because standing up to republican abuses would be bad".
There's a difference between standing up to Republicans and stacking an entire branch of government for partisan reasons.
The republicans stole control of the supreme court. The didn't increase the number of judges, but they still played dirty tricks to do so.
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  The GOP haven't done anything nearly that brash
Yes they have. Blocking Omama's nomination. Removing the nuclear option, but only when it suited them. Cramming through the Stepford wife at the last minute. Looking the other way when Drunky McRapeface committed perjury.

Those are dirty tricks, and they are just as contemptable as adding judges to the supreme court.

Again, you seem to be giving the republicans a free pass on all that. "Its ok if the republicans break all the political norms. Just make sure the democrats play nice."
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Some interesting articles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/05/this-is-why-the-senate-is-at-a-nuclear-brink/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/06/29/it-took-conservatives-50-years-to-get-a-reliable-majority-on-the-supreme-court-here-are-3-reasons-why/
Not sure why you think those articles are particularly interesting. Just a rehash of the dirty tricks the republicans played, along with their crocodile tears and fake pearl clutching.

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« Reply #258 on: May 11, 2022, 09:39:22 am »
There's a difference between standing up to Republicans and stacking an entire branch of government for partisan reasons.  The GOP haven't done anything nearly that brash, with the exception of Jan 6 which failed.

They literally stacked the court for partisan reasons.

Mob justice is becoming more commonplace in the US.  When people lose faith in their institutions, they resort to violence.  This isn't good at all:  https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097803459/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-access-protest-alito

Where's mob justice? What violence? People are allowed to peacefully protest, man.

When you have a group of elites who are accountable to no one, not even the rule of law, then protest is the only avenue for the people impacted.

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Its also not good to see leaks from the SCOTUS.  Justices need to be free from public pressure on their decisions in order to remain impartial.  But that's been thrown out a long time ago.

LOL imagine thinking impartiality is a feature of this court. LMAO.

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« Reply #259 on: May 11, 2022, 09:45:43 am »
Again, you seem to be giving the republicans a free pass on all that. "Its ok if the republicans break all the political norms. Just make sure the democrats play nice." Not sure why you think those articles are particularly interesting. Just a rehash of the dirty tricks the republicans played, along with their crocodile tears and fake pearl clutching.

Yeah you see that a lot with "sensible moderates." a stubborn dedication to abstract principles while the other guys don't care about anything but winning and there's no reward for being a good boy who plays by the rules.

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« Reply #260 on: May 11, 2022, 02:42:41 pm »
What are the building blocks of American intellectualism at this point ?

Are there any ? 

In the past, they have pioneered liberation ideology in terms of individual identity rights and exported those ideas

They established economic hegemony, in terms of the Chicago school ideas, in the 1980s like it or not.

And they lead in technology.

But in terms of public ideas, populism is anti-intellectual and horribly inimitable.


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« Reply #261 on: May 11, 2022, 02:51:56 pm »
What are the building blocks of American intellectualism at this point ?

Are there any ? 

In the past, they have pioneered liberation ideology in terms of individual identity rights and exported those ideas

They established economic hegemony, in terms of the Chicago school ideas, in the 1980s like it or not.

And they lead in technology.

But in terms of public ideas, populism is anti-intellectual and horribly inimitable.

Not sure I agree with that part in bold when the playbook is the same all over.

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« Reply #262 on: May 11, 2022, 02:55:55 pm »
Not sure I agree with that part in bold when the playbook is the same all over.

Similar but not 'the same'.

Trumpism could not succeed in Canada, and the form it takes is only Trump-LIKE. 

Doug Ford was never a Trump - it's anti-Canadian.

That said, they use the playbook that works in that country - maybe the same playbook but with country-specific sections.

Anyway - that's a distraction.  What is the US offering in terms of ideas ?

What did they ever offer ?


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« Reply #263 on: May 11, 2022, 05:14:18 pm »
Mob justice is becoming more commonplace in the US.  When people lose faith in their institutions, they resort to violence.  This isn't good at all:  https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097803459/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-access-protest-alito

Its also not good to see leaks from the SCOTUS.  Justices need to be free from public pressure on their decisions in order to remain impartial.  But that's been thrown out a long time ago.

When rights are removed from people, violent protest is not a surprise.

Hell, if it makes a difference, I’d rather see 48 senators meet a violent end than have to read about how women are dying from botched abortions, or abandoning newborns because they lost their rights to bodily autonomy. 
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« Reply #264 on: May 11, 2022, 05:19:15 pm »
Similar but not 'the same'.

Trumpism could not succeed in Canada, and the form it takes is only Trump-LIKE. 

Doug Ford was never a Trump - it's anti-Canadian.

That said, they use the playbook that works in that country - maybe the same playbook but with country-specific sections.

Anyway - that's a distraction.  What is the US offering in terms of ideas ?

What did they ever offer ?

American exceptionalism dictates that every good idea has already been had by an American already so there's no need to come up with anything new or, heaven forbid, look at what others might be doing and borrow from them.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #265 on: May 11, 2022, 05:20:51 pm »
When rights are removed from people, violent protest is not a surprise.

Hell, if it makes a difference, I’d rather see 48 senators meet a violent end than have to read about how women are dying from botched abortions, or abandoning newborns because they lost their rights to bodily autonomy.

There hasn't even been any violence, it's just elites clutching their pearls because one of their own was minorly inconvenienced.
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« Reply #266 on: May 11, 2022, 06:23:33 pm »
But Susan Collins had people writing in chalk on her sidewalk.

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« Reply #267 on: May 11, 2022, 07:04:55 pm »
But in terms of public ideas, populism is anti-intellectual and horribly inimitable.

Is left-wing populism anti-intellectual?

I think populism is good, unless its done stupidly.  Its better than elitism.
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« Reply #268 on: May 11, 2022, 07:06:53 pm »
When rights are removed from people, violent protest is not a surprise.

Hell, if it makes a difference, I’d rather see 48 senators meet a violent end than have to read about how women are dying from botched abortions, or abandoning newborns because they lost their rights to bodily autonomy.

Do you feel bad for the babies?  Or just the women who want to kill them?
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #269 on: May 11, 2022, 07:16:27 pm »
Idiots and gullible fools like yourself seem to be trying to push this utopian vision of the hard working politically neutral supreme court. But the fact is, it has been stacked by political hacks that were picked by the right-wing Federalist society. Impartiality won't be impacted because it never existed in the first place.

F.uck off.  If you want to have a discussion then let's have one.  If you want to act like a self-righteous condescending a.sshole like you have been then go straight to hell.  Your move.  But I will not be spoken to disrespectfully.  I did not in any way speak to you disrespectfully.  What gives so many of you progressives types on this board the idea that you can go around insulting me and others simply for not agreeing with some of your opinions is beyond me.  But I invite you to grow the he.ll up and act like an adult instead throwing around insults like a child.

I never said the supreme court was politically neutral.  But its supposed to be impartial and not make decisions based on public pressure, nor are leaks of decisions at all common.
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