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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #225 on: May 08, 2022, 06:07:13 pm »
Apparently Meghan McCain called former Republican campaign manager Steve Schmidt a pedo, which prompted him to go off on her for a glorious thread of tweets that completely destroyed her, exposed how Palin was the original Russian puppet, and ruined what remained of John McCain's legacy. Fun times!
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« Reply #226 on: May 10, 2022, 09:26:57 am »
Do you think they actually believe this stuff?

"I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult."-Nancy Pelosi

Republicans haven't cared about that stuff for as long as I've been alive, there's no reason to think they ever will. There's no going back, the GOP needs to be destroyed, root and branch.
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« Reply #227 on: May 10, 2022, 10:03:56 am »
We are in a passing of eras now, so it may indeed be a time for the old 2-parties to be rocked and changed.

But the #1 thing that needs to change is how money goes into the political system.  That is rot.

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« Reply #228 on: May 10, 2022, 10:04:18 am »
LOL you gotta be **** kidding me

Pro-abortion chalk message on Susan Collins’ sidewalk prompts police response.

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Sen. Susan Collins was confronted with a pro-abortion rights message Saturday night when an unknown person or persons wrote in chalk on the sidewalk outside her West Broadway home in Bangor, prompting a police response.

“Susie, please, Mainers want WHPA —–> vote yes, clean up your mess,” the message read, according to a Bangor police report.

WHPA refers to the Women’s Health Protection Act, which would codify the right to abortion into law and ban restrictions on abortion access.
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Bangor police responded to West Broadway at 9:20 p.m. Saturday to investigate a message written in chalk on a sidewalk, Bangor police spokesperson Wade Betters said.

“The message was not overtly threatening,” he said.

The sidewalk message was not visible on Monday afternoon.

“We are grateful to the Bangor police officers and the City public works employee who responded to the defacement of public property in front of our home,” Collins said.

Goes to show how insulated elites are from the consequences of their actions and the people that they effect.
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« Reply #229 on: May 10, 2022, 10:05:28 am »
We are in a passing of eras now, so it may indeed be a time for the old 2-parties to be rocked and changed.

But the #1 thing that needs to change is how money goes into the political system.  That is rot.

Someone needs to [redact] the last Koch brother, Peter Thiel and every other dark money puppetmaster.

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« Reply #230 on: May 10, 2022, 10:09:24 am »
Someone needs to [redact] the last Koch brother, Peter Thiel and every other dark money puppetmaster.

It's not people, man, it's process.  Why pick one master over another ?  Do you think the Koch brother's kid or Murdoch's kids will be nice guys ?
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« Reply #231 on: May 10, 2022, 10:11:31 am »
It's not people, man, it's process.  Why pick one master over another ?  Do you think the Koch brother's kid or Murdoch's kids will be nice guys ?

They get the wall too. Plenty of empty ditches to go around.
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« Reply #232 on: May 10, 2022, 10:15:50 am »
We are in a passing of eras now, so it may indeed be a time for the old 2-parties to be rocked and changed.
The problem I see...

At this point in time, the republican party is completely and utterly corrupt. It definitely needs to be destroyed. On the other hand, the Democrats are imperfect, but they still have far more integrity than the republicans.

Treating a partly flawed but semi-decent party in the same way that you treat a completely corrupt party I think sends the wrong message. You want parties to improve themselves, and insisting on complete perfection may be counter productive.

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« Reply #233 on: May 10, 2022, 10:19:40 am »
The problem I see...

At this point in time, the republican party is completely and utterly corrupt. It definitely needs to be destroyed. On the other hand, the Democrats are imperfect, but they still have far more integrity than the republicans.

Treating a partly flawed but semi-decent party in the same way that you treat a completely corrupt party I think sends the wrong message. You want parties to improve themselves, and insisting on complete perfection may be counter productive.

Obviously, there's no comparison between an openly fascist minoritarian party and the Democrats, but the latter are still corrupt, old and out of touch and in need of a drastic overhaul.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #234 on: May 10, 2022, 10:45:19 am »

1. At this point in time, the republican party is completely and utterly corrupt. It definitely needs to be destroyed. On the other hand, the Democrats are imperfect, but they still have far more integrity than the republicans.

2. Treating a partly flawed but semi-decent party in the same way that you treat a completely corrupt party I think sends the wrong message. You want parties to improve themselves, and insisting on complete perfection may be counter productive.

1. Arguable but I will say the Democrats are not "imperfect" but "bad". 

2. Iterative improvements ?  Maybe.  I think that with problems this deep, a big change could happen quickly regardless.

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« Reply #235 on: May 10, 2022, 10:50:42 am »
1. Arguable but I will say the Democrats are not "imperfect" but "bad". 

2. Iterative improvements ?  Maybe.  I think that with problems this deep, a big change could happen quickly regardless.

Getting big Weimar Republic vibes from the U.S.A. right now TBH.
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« Reply #236 on: May 10, 2022, 10:57:58 am »
Getting big Weimar Republic vibes from the U.S.A. right now TBH.

I still can't envision the final crackdown, the post-Reichstag fire destruction of all rights, removal of independents from election boards and so on.

But if you go back to 2000 we are a good ways along that path for sure. 

Ugh.

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« Reply #237 on: May 10, 2022, 11:17:55 am »
I still can't envision the final crackdown, the post-Reichstag fire destruction of all rights, removal of independents from election boards and so on.

But if you go back to 2000 we are a good ways along that path for sure. 

Ugh.

Really? Because I can quite easily. It doesn't have to be full on Nazi Germany, but countries slide into authoritarianism all the time, the U.S. isn't special. Its institutions are rotten, its political leadership sclerotic, its elites indifferent to anything but their own comfort. I don't think it will take a particularly hard shove to topple the edifice of it as a functional, pluralistic democracy.

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« Reply #238 on: May 10, 2022, 12:10:22 pm »
Really? Because I can quite easily. It doesn't have to be full on Nazi Germany, but countries slide into authoritarianism all the time, the U.S. isn't special. Its institutions are rotten, its political leadership sclerotic, its elites indifferent to anything but their own comfort. I don't think it will take a particularly hard shove to topple the edifice of it as a functional, pluralistic democracy.

US exceptionalism, debatable as it is, is so focused on 'Freedom' that I can't envision them restricting anything to the degree necessary to maintaining authoritarian rule.

It's not a minority of people who dislike Trump et al.  Of course it could happen but ... hard to envision how for me at least.

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« Reply #239 on: May 10, 2022, 12:17:03 pm »
US exceptionalism, debatable as it is, is so focused on 'Freedom' that I can't envision them restricting anything to the degree necessary to maintaining authoritarian rule.

You're talking about the country with the highest rate of incarceration in the entire world here man.

Also remember the right-wing concept of freedom is "you and I can do whatever I want."

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It's not a minority of people who dislike Trump et al.  Of course it could happen but ... hard to envision how for me at least.

Numbers don't matter, only power. The GOP understands that, which is why they work so hard to undermine free elections, redraw maps, appoint crooked and biased judges and obstruct the majority.