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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #120 on: November 23, 2021, 03:52:11 pm »
Are you sure none of these crimes were incurred under Republican jurisdictions?

Given how lengthy his record is some of them certainly were. But as I pointed out, it’s the local district attorney and police who decide how hard to press these issues. And Milwaukee hasn’t had a Republican mayor in over a hundred years. I don’t know the figure for district attorney but I doubt it’s much different.

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« Reply #121 on: November 23, 2021, 03:55:24 pm »
lick those boots harder why don't you.

I don't have a problem with cops, anarchy boy.

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Hope you don't chafe your dick too much jerking it to this fantasy you've constructed in your pea brain. Is it that your life is so shitty that feeling like a victim is the only way you can make sense of your mediocrity?

It's not the losers who want to maintain the present system, you dumb fuk. The losers are the ones who want to tear it all down because they're jealous and angry that others made it and they're fukking losers.

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« Reply #122 on: November 23, 2021, 04:04:28 pm »
1. It's not that you're choosing a side, it's that you're putting other people on a side and stating that because their side is "X" their viewpoint is invalid.  Yes, people are "allowed" to do this but it's poor debating form.

I didn't say you were wrong, though you are, just predictably on-side with your team.

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2. Ok, but you're "centrist" which means you're between the Conservatives and Liberals, right ?  Right ?
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That's not exactly what a centrist is. A centrist doesn't sail predictably down the middle but veers left and right depending on the issue and their own decisions on what is best for society and country. The reason I don't much admire either conservatives or liberals is their social views tend to be quite predictable, which suggests they are embracing whatever is fashionable for their group rather t han applying their own mind.

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4. Yeah, you're right of conservative from your angry rhetoric.
What angry rhetoric? Because I respond with the same contempt people show me? I have plenty of views the far right wouldn't like on issues like gay rights, public health care, social welfare, and training, prison reform, pornography and ****, and drugs. I also have plenty of views the far left wouldn't like on things like law and order, national security, immigration and asylum policies, multicult and trans, and protecting our western culture and values.

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2) You aren't centrist at all

LOL. It's ad hominem for me to say you were on the left and not conservative but perfectly fine for you to say I'm on the far right and not centrist! Okay bud!
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #123 on: November 23, 2021, 04:08:12 pm »
I'd definitely say you're not extreme.

I didn't say he was extreme either. Black pimple is extreme, as is squidbrain.

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« Reply #124 on: November 23, 2021, 04:12:49 pm »
So your idea is that if some groups are lagging behind because of past injustices, we shouldn't do anything to give those groups a leg up at this point? Like "sorry your ancestors were slaves, your grandparents lived under Jim Crow and you live in generational poverty as a result, but we have to treat you the same as a rich white kid or they'll be sad."

Black people in Canada aren't the victims of historical racism. Almost none of them were even here to experience it, nor were their ancestors. The great majority are immigrants and their kids. In the US, I find it telling that Blacks were improving their economic lot by leaps and bounds through the 1940s and 1950s and it all fell to **** in the 1960s when liberals brought in all kinds of public welfare and government programs to combat racism. I never see the woke mob explaining that.

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« Reply #125 on: November 23, 2021, 04:44:50 pm »
Black people in Canada aren't the victims of historical racism. Almost none of them were even here to experience it, nor were their ancestors.

They weren’t here to experience what?   The racism?  Which you said never existed? 

Trolls are getting stupider and stupider….

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« Reply #126 on: November 23, 2021, 04:53:23 pm »
They weren’t here to experience what?   The racism?  Which you said never existed? 

Trolls are getting stupider and stupider….

Just keep making shiite up to argue against, little biatch. I never said, suggested, implied or inferred there wasn't racism in Canada or anywhere else.
There were 30k black people in Canada fifty years ago. Now there's 1.2 million. Tell me how 30k grows into 1.2 million in two generations. Please do. They're almost all immigrants or their kids.

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« Reply #127 on: November 23, 2021, 05:23:13 pm »
1. I didn't say you were wrong, though you are, just predictably on-side with your team.

2. That's not exactly what a centrist is. 

3. ... protecting our western culture and values.

4. ... perfectly fine for you to say I'm on the far right and not centrist! 
1. Ok, well BlackDog has called you a fascist so let's go with that for you.  At least we have some evidence of your position.
2. I posted a definition, I think.
3. "Protecting our western culture and values" ... not a centrist thing to say.  It's a fascist thing.
4. No it's not fine, but that's where we are.

What I've determined:

- You're not a centrist
- We're going to have ad hominems
- You speak in generalities

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« Reply #128 on: November 23, 2021, 06:07:20 pm »
3. "Protecting our western culture and values" ... not a centrist thing to say.  It's a fascist thing.

If Japan, India, China, Mexico, or aboriginals wanted to protect their culture and values would you call them fascist?

Why is it only fascist when we say it?

Western values are worth preserving.  Liberalism and democracy, human rights, due process, rule of law...
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« Reply #129 on: November 23, 2021, 06:33:57 pm »
But you specifically said "harmful" which is not the same thing as "bad". The belief that white people are evil may be bad, but it's a fringe belief that is far less harmful than the pervasive stereotypes about Blacks or Indigenous people or Asians. So it is absurd to lump them together.

No, it shows your priorities are totally out of whack and you lack perspective as to what's important. And you can't tell the difference between something that annoys you and something that is actually dangerous.

The belief that the earth is flat is a bad idea and so is the belief that vaccines are extremely dangerous, but only one of those ideas has capacity to cause extensive real world harm. Same goes for "wokeness" vs herrenvolk nationalism.

These arguments are just whataboutism.  "Wokeness?...Ya but whatabout white nationalism".  This thread is about wokeness.  Saying white nationalism is worse doesn't negate wokeness from being harmful or being a bad idea, and its both.

Canada and its institutions are not being influenced very much by white nationalist nonsense.  It is being influenced by wokeism, radical leftwing identity politics, whatever you want to call it.  The Prime Minister is woke, the Prime Minister is a radical feminist.  There's about 100 pages out of the 275 pages that make up the federal budget that were dedicated specifically to gender equality issues while only 3 pages were dedicated to veterans issues, and zero pages are dedicated to Neo-Nazism.  I don't have an issue with paying attention to some gender issues but dedicating a third of the federal budget to them is pretty insane.  The PM has a weird fetish about saving women because he wants to be the white knight saviour so the ladies swoon over him.

https://www.budget.gc.ca/2018/docs/plan/budget-2018-en.pdf
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #130 on: November 23, 2021, 06:42:54 pm »
If Japan, India, China, Mexico, or aboriginals wanted to protect their culture and values would you call them fascist?

Why is it only fascist when we say it?

You asked me a question then answered it. 🤔

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Western values are worth preserving.  Liberalism and democracy, human rights, due process, rule of law...

Yeah and if people do things like storm legislature and try to overturn elections, we should be alarmed. Language is fascism is to ignore that event, and make it all about white people being under attack by browns.

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« Reply #131 on: November 23, 2021, 06:43:29 pm »
They weren’t here to experience what?   The racism?  Which you said never existed? 

Trolls are getting stupider and stupider….

Some racism obviously exists in Canada and has always existed.  On the other hand, South asian Canadians don't make more money than African-Canadians because of racism.
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« Reply #132 on: November 23, 2021, 06:45:53 pm »
Yeah and if people do things like storm legislature and try to overturn elections, we should be alarmed. Language is fascism is to ignore that event, and make it all about white people being under attack by browns.

Yes we should.  That is actual fascism.  Storming legislatures to overturn democratic elections is very much against Western values.
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« Reply #133 on: November 23, 2021, 07:47:29 pm »
1. Ok, well BlackDog has called you a fascist so let's go with that for you.  At least we have some evidence of your position.

So, now you're either showing that you not only don't know what a centrist is you don't know what a fascist is. Or are just sulking. What's the problem here? Nipples said you were a progressive and all your social views lined up perfectly and you accepted that so now you're sulking because I said you on the Left and your views were predictable? That seems confusing

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3. "Protecting our western culture and values" ... not a centrist thing to say.  It's a fascist thing.

So you really don't know what fascism is. Interesting from a guy who seems pretty smug about his intellectual prowess. Most people care about their country's culture and values. That you'd think that was extremist just shows how out of touch you are. Would you say Quebec is a fascist state? They seem awfully intent on protecting their culture and values. I guess you despise Quebecers. Would you like them to separate? Or would you like the federal government to send in the army and stop them from trying to protect their culture and values?

Tell me, is this a fascist statement?
Why is it important to protect Canadian culture?
Culture is the heart of a nation. As countries become more economically integrated, nations need strong domestic cultures and cultural expression to maintain their sovereignty and sense of identity. ...

 That comes from the Canadian government. Granted, in 2015, but still. https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/topics-domaines/ip-pi/canculture.aspx?lang=en

Do you simply think there's nothing in Canada worth protecting? Our culture and values are basically nothing and you don't care about this country? It seems that way. I bet if I said I was from Guyana or Vietnam and wanted to protect my culture and values you'd be applauding wildly.

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What I've determined:

- You're not a centrist
- We're going to have ad hominems
- You speak in generalities

And what I've determined is you're a smug Toronto urbanite who looks down his nose at anyone who isn't from a big city and anyone who doesn't go to university and anyone who thinks differently than you, and you're not nearly as smart as you seem to believe. You also have a tendency to sulk.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #134 on: November 23, 2021, 07:49:09 pm »
You asked me a question then answered it. 🤔

Yeah and if people do things like storm legislature and try to overturn elections, we should be alarmed. Language is fascism is to ignore that event, and make it all about white people being under attack by browns.

I don't recall storming any legislatures, and I already said I agreed with Lindsey Graham that the cops should have shot those people. But I know reality doesn't matter to you while you're determinedly attacking someone on another 'team'.