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Offline The Cynic

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2021, 12:17:08 pm »

Well, for one thing I think this happened gradually over a few decades.  Secondly, do you think this is a bad thing or not ?  If the Left did it, then why are you falling into their framework ?

Self-defense. If everyone else is forming groups and attacking anyone who looks like me then maybe I ought to respond.

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Would you say that maybe you're a perfectionist in this regard ? Do you think that the pervasiveness of crime coverage, availability of phone footage of violence may be creating a perception that things are worse than they actually are ?

Somewhat. But I don't think a system needs to be perfect to keep people like this out of society. It just needs to be reasonably effective. And it's not. It's just wildly expensive. And yes, obviously the pervasiveness of crime reports impacts how people feel, just like the pervasiveness of any kind of police-black violence where the cops are in the wrong drives the narrative about how poor black people are being oppressed by the evil police.
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Let's just have a discussion without you jumping up and attaching me to "the left" - can we do that ?

You appear to be strongly devoted to all the usual SJW beliefs of the left, from trans and gay to climate, diversity and open borders. If I seem to be putting you into a team box it's because it appears to be a comfortable place for you. If you're not happy being seen as being on the same side as hateful **** like blackduck and squidhead that's understandable as they don't appear to like human beings very much.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2021, 01:02:32 pm »
Because he got knocked down.

Not by the first guy he killed. He was running away, then stopped and turned around.

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Ah, so you know exactly what neo-Nazis think and you know they're right?

I mean, it's what they're saying.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2021, 01:09:05 pm »
I love how you say that so indignantly. Yes, they do. But all they do is go somewhere to pray and that brings out raging, screaming, violent far-left activists. You can blame Patriot Prayer all you want but they're not making these **** lose their minds and go and attack them. No, no, that's on the crazy people.

They were driving around pepper spraying people, you idiot.

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And Reinohel was ALSO armed, which somehow is just fine with you. So it's okay to go armed to a 'demonstration' and to seek a confrontation with a guy and then shoot them because you feel threatened. As long as your politics align with the same far left bullshit as the batshit crazy black dog.

You're so stupid it's incredible that you can even manage to turn on a computer. I didn't say jack **** about whether Reinohel was right or wrong; that's just you projecting. I was pointing out the disparity in how the two incidents were handled; the pro-cop, right wing guy got kid glove treatment and a sham trial, the left wing guy got gunned down in the street by the cops.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2021, 01:11:11 pm »
You mean BLM riots, arsons and lootings, right? No, you can't even bring yourself to think it, much less say it.

Well, online is new. That's the only new part. Vigilantism has a very long and well-respected history in the US. They're not like **** Canada where a guy who defends his property gets arrested because cringing city people in their high towers make all the rules and can't imagine why anyone would ever need to defend themselves.

Yeah for sure man.





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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2021, 01:17:13 pm »
Get it through your head I'm a centrist. But the kind of ignorant, arrogant, contemptuous looking down their noses at ordinary people **** I see from some of the fanatical people here is the same **** I see from their counterparts in the US, and it's what's driving more moderate people to hold their noses and vote Republican. The Republicans are vermin but at least they don't hate me, my community, and my family and friends. And they might be racists but they're not racist TOWARDS me and my community and family and friends the way so many of the so-called 'liberals' are.They won't hire or promote a black or brown man or woman above me just because of their skin color or womb.

If you prefer fascists over the left, then you aren't a centrist, you're another fascist.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2021, 01:21:09 pm »
It's not politics, it's culture. And it's a team sport because the Left made it so. It separated everyone according to their identity and grievance rating and then set them into a hierarchy of importance, with the white oppressors all being the enemy. You are now amazed that the white oppressors have decided that they're tired of constantly being **** on and are starting to resent it?

What a brutal, stupid, ahistorical take. Race hierarchies weren't created by the left, the left merely identified them which upsets delicate flowers like you.

Also deciding to take the side of the violent anti-democratic fascists on the right is a choice, I wish you clods would acknowledge that and take some personal responsibility instead of crying about how the left made you do it.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2021, 01:49:20 pm »
1. Self-defense. If everyone else is forming groups and attacking anyone who looks like me then maybe I ought to respond.

2. You appear to be strongly devoted to all the usual SJW beliefs of the left, from trans and gay to climate, diversity and open borders.

3. If I seem to be putting you into a team box it's because it appears to be a comfortable place for you. If you're not happy being seen as being on the same side as hateful **** like blackduck and squidhead that's understandable as they don't appear to like human beings very much.
1. Ok, so you are selecting it because you think it's a good idea.  I'm saying it's bad form, and a kind of ad hominem.
2. Haha.  I'm actually pretty conservative.  Some might say 'a centrist'.  If you're allowed to advocate for clampdowns and call yourself centrist, don't you think it's reasonable for me to advocate for policies advocated by the Conservative Party and call myself 'centrist' ?  The Conservative party has a policy to deal with climate change, and supports rights for trans a gay people.
3. Again, you seem to think politics is about insulting people.  That's pretty boring because it goes nowhere... it's just whack-a-mole via posts.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2021, 02:37:39 pm »
...this guy would not be out on the street in a conservative world.
 
I thought Wisconsin was a bastion of the conservative world. Its attitudes towards guns certainly seem to suggest it is.

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A background check from Wisconsin's Department of Justice came back with over 50 pages of charges against Brooks stretching back decades.

Of course it also stands to reason that one of America's socialist left wing radical Marxist Deepstate tentacles must have penetrated Wisconsin's state government. Like conservatives everywhere Wisconsonians are as seemingly powerless against it.

Why can't the conservative world do more to combat this evil in its midst?
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2021, 03:23:53 pm »
Do you think that the pervasiveness of crime coverage, availability of phone footage of violence may be creating a perception that things are worse than they actually are ?

This has to be the case.  Since the advent of mass body cam usage by cops and the smartphone over the last decade we seem to know more about what things that have always occurred.  I'm sure police brutality is lower now than ever, though still not close to ideal.  It never will be with humans involved but it can get A LOT better with more accountability for it.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2021, 03:29:46 pm »
Not by the first guy he killed. He was running away, then stopped and turned around.

He was chased by Rosenbaum through the streets and parking lot.  I assume he turned around because Rosenbaum was throwing stuff at him, gunfire was going off around him, and Rosenbaum was charging him.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2021, 03:42:33 pm »
What a brutal, stupid, ahistorical take. Race hierarchies weren't created by the left, the left merely identified them which upsets delicate flowers like you.

The entire concept of race is stupid.  Yes I assume it was created by the right, or at least by racists.  We need to destroy the concept of race by treating everyone the same regardless of what they look like.  To do this we should judge individuals by their actions, character, and merit instead of their skin colour.  When I go to work I don't treat some people better or worse based on their race or gender.  This is the way we were moving since the 60's but I think those doubling-down now on identity politics think changing everyone's minds over decades is too slow, they want the changes to happen right now, which just isn't possible.  Sometimes unfortunately the only way to cure a racist is to wait until they get old and die.

I don't think "white people" are the problem, which is what the woke say these days.  The problem is individuals who are racist.  Blaming the individual or policy or organization is a lot healthier than blaming an entire race, because this leads to racism towards white people, and many white people are naturally going to get their back up to these racial overgeneralizations and scapegoating and fight back in kind.  Most white people can get behind the idea of condemning individual white people who are racist, we had been doing that as a society since the 60's.  But when you say "white people are racist" instead of "this individual white person is racist for doing X" even a lot of the good white people get their feathers ruffled with that one, except those dripping in racial guilt for things that are the fault of others.

All racial overgeneralizations are unproductive if not socially destructive.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2021, 07:01:06 pm »
They were driving around pepper spraying people, you idiot.

What? Every single time? Not that I've seen on youtube. All they seem to need to do is show up to have screeching mobs of ANTIFA and anarchist types like you descend on them. Frankly, I'd love to give all of them - and you - guns and then get the popcorn as you all kill each other.

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You're so stupid it's incredible that you can even manage to turn on a computer. I didn't say jack **** about whether Reinohel was right or wrong; that's just you projecting. I was pointing out the disparity in how the two incidents were handled; the pro-cop, right wing guy got kid glove treatment and a sham trial, the left wing guy got gunned down in the street by the cops.

I don't care what happened to your hero, or the other heroes of the ANTIFA the kid shot. Is that why you're so raging? Because he killed your best? The **** and the wife beater? I guess they represented the top minds of your movement. Certainly they had to have been smarter than you.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2021, 07:04:39 pm »
If you prefer fascists over the left, then you aren't a centrist, you're another fascist.

They're not fascists, you asswad. Trump has no ideology but money, and most of those around him are grifters and crooks. And I have no doubt whatsoever that you and your ilk have even less commitment to democracy and freedom than they do. There's never been a government of any kind led by people like you that didn't descend into terror and repression. That's because the brutal ideology of thoughtless contempt for anyone who thinks differently than you do justifies, in your smooth little brain, any amount of 're-education' to keep the 'bad thoughts' from spreading.

That you pretend to be one bit better than the fascists is a sick joke.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2021, 07:09:15 pm »
What a brutal, stupid, ahistorical take. Race hierarchies weren't created by the left, the left merely identified them which upsets delicate flowers like you.

Also deciding to take the side of the violent anti-democratic fascists on the right is a choice, I wish you clods would acknowledge that and take some personal responsibility instead of crying about how the left made you do it.

Don't pretend you have any commitment to human rights or democracy, you lying ****. We both know your kind is just as into the 'camps' as a solution to improper thinking as the fascists. Sure the Fascists did it, but let's not forget how your friends in China, Cambodia and Russia did the same. You all dream of a utopia where human behavior won't get in the way of your perfect vision, but not understanding humans and having no empathy you're willing to coldly destroy anyone who stands in your way. The far Left has butchered more people than the far-Right and are still at it. What's the worst Trump could do compared to what your fellow travelers in Venezuela and Nicaragua have done?

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2021, 07:14:08 pm »
1. Ok, so you are selecting it because you think it's a good idea.  I'm saying it's bad form, and a kind of ad hominem.

If it's somehow 'ad hominum' for me to choose a side then what about all the Black or gay or trans groups? Why are they allowed to choose a side and attack me?

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2. Haha.  I'm actually pretty conservative.  Some might say 'a centrist'.  If you're allowed to advocate for clampdowns and call yourself centrist, don't you think it's reasonable for me to advocate for policies advocated by the Conservative Party and call myself 'centrist' ?  The Conservative party has a policy to deal with climate change, and supports rights for trans a gay people.

The Conservative party in Canada is not conservative in any way, which is why it's falling apart. And how is it you think my wanting a 'clampdown' on violent crime is somehow not centrist? The policies on dealing with climate change are a farce and will accomplish nothing while wasting vast resources. And any party can support 'rights' but the trans activists are out of their minds and so are most of their supporters. It's one thing to demand they be treated legally, ie not beaten, not fired or evicted, etc., not expelled from restaurants or whatever, and another to demand they be inserted into women's sports, prisons and change rooms. Much less demand gay women and straight guys have sex with them because they're 'women' or else be called bigots. What a joke!

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3. Again, you seem to think politics is about insulting people.  That's pretty boring because it goes nowhere... it's just whack-a-mole via posts.

Of course, no one ever insults anyone here. LOL.  Odd how you only complain about it when I do it, Mr. Conservative.
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