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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2021, 11:32:20 pm »
Kyle Rittenhouse, the little wannabe cop turned vigilante who killed two people and seriously injured a third, was acquitted by an overwhelmingly white jury.

What does race have to do with the trial?  A mostly white jury doesn't mean anything, it's not like the people he killed were black lol.

It's amazing how people are politicizing this trial.  People on the left don't like him politically and so don't actually care about the law or the evidence and treat him as someone not worthy of rights or a fair trial.

He was acquitted because the evidence was pretty convincing that he acted in self-defense.  They had video evidence of it.  The means of self-defense looked pretty disproportionate especially vs Rosenbaum, but it was still self-defense.  If he's guilty of anything it's putting himself within a very dangerous situation, being out after curfew like the rest of them, and maybe some gun possession charges.
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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2021, 11:37:23 pm »

It’s not surprising…. It probably aligns with the laws too.  If you’re 17 and want to carry around an ar-15 on the streets, you are allowed.  If someone says something, or does something, that makes you feel in the least bit threatened, you are allowed to shoot them with that gun you happen to be holding, as is your right. 

Is it justice?  F*ck no…. It’s about as stupid as it can get in terms of how to govern a country.  Would he have been convicted if he were black and the others where white?  Probably.  Although, I haven’t seen something directly comparable yet. 

As you said….  What a fuckin’ country.

He's not allowed to carry around an AR-15 after curfew at age 17, that's illegal, but doesn't really affect the charges.  Also no you're not allowed to just shoot someone for saying something, which doesn't matter here because that's not why he was acquitted, he was physically attacked by multiple people.

The judge seemed politically biased unfortunately, but I don't really see how it affected the evidence or the jury's decision.

Most people on the left i've seen thinks he should have been found guilty because they don't actually care about the law or the evidence, they just hate the kid and his politics.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2021, 11:38:33 pm »
Seems people look at the lunatic Republicans, then look at the woke progressive racial and gender politics zealots of the Democratic party and the tired old man temporarily in charge and decide they'd rather vote Republican.

Republicans hold largest edge in early midterm vote preferences in 40 years: poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/581475-republicans-hold-largest-edge-in-early-midterm-vote-preferences-in-40-years-poll

GOP is such a trash party, most of them are total idiots and ignorant hillbillies.
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« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2021, 11:41:31 pm »
In that state you're allowed to open carry. Might be dumb as **** but it's the law. The people killed were attacking him at the time, even as he ran away. That's a pretty powerful argument for self-defense. Maybe it's not such a bright idea to chase after a guy holding an AK47 screaming threats to kill him.

One of those killed was a convicted child molester. The funniest quote I heard was 'He died doing what he loved, chasing after minors."

Agree with all of this.  It's really, really stupid to be allowed to open-carry an AR-15.  It's insane.  It's also insane to threaten and then throw stuff at and then charge a guy holding an AR-15.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2021, 05:54:14 am »
It feels like the US now has a strategy to arm the culture war.


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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2021, 09:49:01 am »
It feels like the US now has a strategy to arm the culture war.

It certainly seems the impetus for civil war just got a little stronger.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2021, 10:19:54 am »
What does race have to do with the trial?  A mostly white jury doesn't mean anything, it's not like the people he killed were black lol.

What does race have to do with a white kid picking up a gun and going to a protest over the police shooting of a black man, hmm that's a head-scratcher.

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It's amazing how people are politicizing this trial.  People on the left don't like him politically and so don't actually care about the law or the evidence and treat him as someone not worthy of rights or a fair trial.

He was acquitted because the evidence was pretty convincing that he acted in self-defense.  They had video evidence of it.  The means of self-defense looked pretty disproportionate especially vs Rosenbaum, but it was still self-defense.  If he's guilty of anything it's putting himself within a very dangerous situation, being out after curfew like the rest of them, and maybe some gun possession charges.

Yeah and like I said, the precedent here is anyone can now insert themselves into a dangerous situation and when things escalate, kill people and claim self -defense. Of course that won't be applied equally.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2021, 10:38:25 am »
In that state you're allowed to open carry. Might be dumb as **** but it's the law. The people killed were attacking him at the time, even as he ran away. That's a pretty powerful argument for self-defense. Maybe it's not such a bright idea to chase after a guy holding an AK47 screaming threats to kill him.

One of those killed was a convicted child molester. The funniest quote I heard was 'He died doing what he loved, chasing after minors."

The first guy he killed was a mentally-ill man who had just been dumped out of hospital after a recent suicide attempt. The other two people he shot were two people trying to disarm an active shooter. If the third guy had shot and killed Rittenhouse, he would have been justified in doing so under Wisconsin law.

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Are great people! Or had you meant to suggest something else?

If Rittenhouse were Black and his victims white, I'd bet my last dollar things would have gone differently.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2021, 10:41:38 am »
And yet it still stands as the Shiniest Beacon in the known universe for freedom that millions are willing to risk their lives to get to.

Would Rittenhouse have been convicted if he were Democrat and his targets were Republican?

No. He wouldn't have even made it to trial.

Michael Reinoehl, the Portland antifa member who shot a Proud Boy who was attacking him with pepper spray, was tracked down and summarily executed byUS Marshalls at the behest of the then-President.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2021, 12:53:39 pm »
The first guy he killed was a mentally-ill man who had just been dumped out of hospital after a recent suicide attempt. The other two people he shot were two people trying to disarm an active shooter. If the third guy had shot and killed Rittenhouse, he would have been justified in doing so under Wisconsin law.

Regardless of what you and other lefties think about American law it's pretty clear in allowing for people like him to take out guns to defend both themselves and others from violence. He was legally standing around that car dealership to protect it from rioters. When he headed for another dealer a number of people confronted him. He, according to video, dodged away from them and ran off, and they pursued him. Now I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me it's hard to justify chasing after a guy who hasn't done anything illegal while screaming threats and epithets. And it's particularly **** dumb to do it to someone clutching a high-powered firearm. Everyone who was shot was attacking Rittenhouse, who was trying to flee.

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If Rittenhouse were Black and his victims white, I'd bet my last dollar things would have gone differently.

Bullshit. If OJ Simpson taught us anything it's that money talks, not race in US courtrooms. Rittenhouse had a good lawyer.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2021, 01:01:44 pm »
No. He wouldn't have even made it to trial.

Michael Reinoehl, the Portland antifa member who shot a Proud Boy who was attacking him with pepper spray, was tracked down and summarily executed byUS Marshalls at the behest of the then-President.


Ahh, I see. So people who shoot others at demonstrations are proud and noble defenders of the public peace when they agree with you but are otherwise evil far-right fascists. There's no evidence that the guy murdered was ever associated with the Proud Boys, btw, and there is video evidence of the ANTIFA guy hiding as he went by, then coming out after to pursue him. Funny how these alt-left types you admire so much are always chasing after their 'enemies' but always the innocents in every confrontation.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2021, 01:17:44 pm »
Regardless of what you and other lefties think about American law it's pretty clear in allowing for people like him to take out guns to defend both themselves and others from violence. He was legally standing around that car dealership to protect it from rioters. When he headed for another dealer a number of people confronted him. He, according to video, dodged away from them and ran off, and they pursued him.

So why didn't he keep running?

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Now I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me it's hard to justify chasing after a guy who hasn't done anything illegal while screaming threats and epithets. And it's particularly **** dumb to do it to someone clutching a high-powered firearm. Everyone who was shot was attacking Rittenhouse, who was trying to flee.

None of this is relevant to my point. It's amazing that the neo-Nazis and other right-wing goons celebrating this verdict understand its implications and you continue to play dumb.

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Bullshit. If OJ Simpson taught us anything it's that money talks, not race in US courtrooms. Rittenhouse had a good lawyer.

And an indifferent prosecution and a hilariously biased judge.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2021, 01:26:03 pm »

Ahh, I see. So people who shoot others at demonstrations are proud and noble defenders of the public peace when they agree with you but are otherwise evil far-right fascists.

Nice strawman dumbf*ck. I didn't say jack about Rittenhouse's political leanings here (unless of course you saw I called him a "wannabe cop" and read that as "far-right fascist which is fair enough I guess).

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There's no evidence that the guy murdered was ever associated with the Proud Boys, btw, and there is video evidence of the ANTIFA guy hiding as he went by, then coming out after to pursue him. Funny how these alt-left types you admire so much are always chasing after their 'enemies' but always the innocents in every confrontation.

My mistake, it wasn't the Proud Boys, it was Patriot Prayer, a different group of far-right thugs who had gone into Portland to instigate violent confrontations with protesters. The guy who got shot was carrying a baton and pistol and going around spraying people with bear spray. And according to the logic of American legal system, it doesn't matter if the Reinoehl went out of his way to confront Danielson, if he felt threatened during the course of the confrontation, he was entirely justified in acting in self-defense. Of course we won't really know because Reinoehl didn't get his day in court because he was mowed down in the street without warning by armed agents of the state.
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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2021, 01:42:20 pm »
What about effecting a patriot citizen's arrest of a cop like Derek Chauvin if/ when they're committing a crime?

We need more people like Rittenhouse patrolling the streets.

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Re: The sad state of the (UN) United States
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2021, 01:47:28 pm »
What about effecting a patriot citizen's arrest of a cop like Derek Chauvin if/ when they're committing a crime?

We need more people like Rittenhouse patrolling the streets.


Ah yes what we really need is a war of all against all where the only people in the right are whoever is left alive when the smoke clears. Sounds great dude.