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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2021, 10:49:05 pm »
Roe v Wade has essentially been overturned if states choose to go that way.

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The law is unusual in that it gives private citizens the power to enforce it by enabling them to sue abortion providers and anyone who "aids or abets" an abortion after six weeks. Citizens who win such lawsuits would be entitled to at least $10,000.

Abortion providers say the law could lead to hundreds of costly lawsuits that would be logistically difficult to defend.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/texas-abortion-law-supreme-court-1.6160844

A bizarre law that allows private citizens to collect bounties from anyone who helps a woman get an abortion after 6 Wks. 

The Supreme Court refused to hear an injunction appeal.


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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2021, 07:22:08 pm »
I was watching part one of The World At War, a documentary from the 1970s on Youtube. It was a little eerie how some of the descriptions of Hitler coming to power resonated with today's America. Not that Trump is Hitler. Not saying that.  But the way he was supported by 'industrialists who thought they could control him and old party people who thought they had him well in hand. And then the part where they talk about the military taking new oaths "Where once they had sworn an oath to the constitution, now they swore to him, by name." I'm willing to bet Trump would have had everyone in government swearing a loyalty oath to him rather than the constitution.

And despite that and all the revelations since he left office almost all the Republican base wants him to run again and Republican politicians quiver in fear of incurring his displeasure and say anything he tells them to say.

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2021, 07:22:45 pm »
Seems people look at the lunatic Republicans, then look at the woke progressive racial and gender politics zealots of the Democratic party and the tired old man temporarily in charge and decide they'd rather vote Republican.

Republicans hold largest edge in early midterm vote preferences in 40 years: poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/581475-republicans-hold-largest-edge-in-early-midterm-vote-preferences-in-40-years-poll

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2021, 09:10:09 pm »
Seems people look at the lunatic Republicans, then look at the woke progressive racial and gender politics zealots of the Democratic party and the tired old man temporarily in charge and decide they'd rather vote Republican.

Republicans hold largest edge in early midterm vote preferences in 40 years: poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/581475-republicans-hold-largest-edge-in-early-midterm-vote-preferences-in-40-years-poll

Which racial and gender politics zealots are those?  Be specific about which senators or house members you’re talking about.

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2021, 12:21:20 pm »
Which racial and gender politics zealots are those?  Be specific about which senators or house members you’re talking about.

All of 'the squad' along with their supporters, and innumerable municipal and state democrats throughout the country. And the problem is even those who aren't big supporters won't speak against it, much as so many Republicans might disapprove of Trump but don't dare say a word against him.

According to the NYT the Republicans have already created enough new safe seats through gerrymandering to take back to the House next year even without any additional vote gains. They'll likely take the Senate too. And there is a strong move there among Republicans for a constitutional convention to change the US constitution to weaken federal powers and perhaps even allow the states to override supreme court rulings. They've already had almost enough states sign onto it. Republicans and their billionaire backers have spent a fortune on state contests while the Democrats yawned, and they're paying the price.
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2021, 02:12:39 pm »
All of 'the squad' along with their supporters, and innumerable municipal and state democrats throughout the country. And the problem is even those who aren't big supporters won't speak against it, much as so many Republicans might disapprove of Trump but don't dare say a word against him.

According to the NYT the Republicans have already created enough new safe seats through gerrymandering to take back to the House next year even without any additional vote gains. They'll likely take the Senate too. And there is a strong move there among Republicans for a constitutional convention to change the US constitution to weaken federal powers and perhaps even allow the states to override supreme court rulings. They've already had almost enough states sign onto it. Republicans and their billionaire backers have spent a fortune on state contests while the Democrats yawned, and they're paying the price.

So you can’t even think of a single example of one in government?  Ok then….
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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2021, 02:19:15 pm »
Seems people look at the lunatic Republicans, then look at the woke progressive racial and gender politics zealots of the Democratic party and the tired old man temporarily in charge and decide they'd rather vote Republican.

Republicans hold largest edge in early midterm vote preferences in 40 years: poll

https://thehill.com/homenews/581475-republicans-hold-largest-edge-in-early-midterm-vote-preferences-in-40-years-poll

It's been wild watching the consent machine go brrrrrrrr over the last few months as even with a booming economy and the Biden agenda getting sabotaged by so-called centrists, the media continues to obsess over wokeness and the overall size of Biden's spending bills (instead of the many popular policies they contain).

Which is weird because really dumb people keep talking about how the media has been taken over by woke lefties.

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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2021, 12:39:11 pm »
How many in the squad ?  Six ?

They want to elect Trump instead of an entire party with those six ?

Insane

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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2021, 03:19:25 pm »
It’s not ‘polarization.’ We suffer from Republican radicalization.


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While it’s true that the country is more deeply divided along partisan lines than it has been in the past, it is wrong to suggest a symmetrical devolution into irrational hatred. The polarization argument too often treats both sides as equally worthy of blame, characterizing the problem as a sort of free-floating affliction (e.g., “lack of trust”). This blurs the distinction between a Democratic Party that is marginally more progressive in policy positions than it was a decade ago, and a Republican Party that routinely lies, courts violence and seeks to define America as a White Christian nation.

The Republican Party’s tolerance of violence is not matched by Democrats. Nor is the Republican Party’s refusal to recognize the sanctity of elections. Democrats did not call the elections they lost in 2020 and 2021 “rigged,” nor are they seeking to replace nonpartisan election officials with partisan lawmakers. Republicans’ determination to change voting laws based on their insistence that Donald Trump won the 2020 election is without historical precedent.


Read the whole thing. Anyone who tries to draw equivalency between some Dem's embrace of identity politics or positions like defunding the police and the GOP's wholesale surrender to violence and nihilism is not to be taken seriously.

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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2021, 03:54:44 pm »
Kyle Rittenhouse, the little wannabe cop turned vigilante who killed two people and seriously injured a third, was acquitted by an overwhelmingly white jury.

I dunno how this doesn't codify the right of anyone* to go out armed, start trouble and then shoot someone and claim self-defense. What a **** up country.





*white people

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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2021, 04:30:06 pm »
How many in the squad ?  Six ?

They want to elect Trump instead of an entire party with those six ?

Insane

I didn't say it made sense. I'm kind of surprised at how far his popularity has fallen. The repetition of him being a senile old man must be paying dividends. But the Republicans are also playing to emotional/instinctive desires for security which the Democrats are very vulnerable to given their attacks on police over the last year and the shifting of their previously held belief in tight border security to an almost hysterical anti-security stance against the Border Patrol and ICE. Their harping on the racial politics being taught in schools is really doing well, too, as is the racial politics the administration is playing.
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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2021, 04:34:35 pm »
Kyle Rittenhouse, the little wannabe cop turned vigilante who killed two people and seriously injured a third, was acquitted by an overwhelmingly white jury.

I dunno how this doesn't codify the right of anyone* to go out armed, start trouble and then shoot someone and claim self-defense. What a **** up country.
In that state you're allowed to open carry. Might be dumb as **** but it's the law. The people killed were attacking him at the time, even as he ran away. That's a pretty powerful argument for self-defense. Maybe it's not such a bright idea to chase after a guy holding an AK47 screaming threats to kill him.

One of those killed was a convicted child molester. The funniest quote I heard was 'He died doing what he loved, chasing after minors."


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Are great people! Or had you meant to suggest something else?
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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2021, 05:57:53 pm »
Kyle Rittenhouse, the little wannabe cop turned vigilante who killed two people and seriously injured a third, was acquitted by an overwhelmingly white jury.

I dunno how this doesn't codify the right of anyone* to go out armed, start trouble and then shoot someone and claim self-defense. What a **** up country.




*white people


It’s not surprising…. It probably aligns with the laws too.  If you’re 17 and want to carry around an ar-15 on the streets, you are allowed.  If someone says something, or does something, that makes you feel in the least bit threatened, you are allowed to shoot them with that gun you happen to be holding, as is your right. 

Is it justice?  F*ck no…. It’s about as stupid as it can get in terms of how to govern a country.  Would he have been convicted if he were black and the others where white?  Probably.  Although, I haven’t seen something directly comparable yet. 

As you said….  What a fuckin’ country.
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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2021, 06:37:22 pm »
^ this

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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2021, 07:56:40 pm »
Would he have been convicted if he were black and the others where white?

As you said….  What a fuckin’ country.
And yet it still stands as the Shiniest Beacon in the known universe for freedom that millions are willing to risk their lives to get to.

Would Rittenhouse have been convicted if he were Democrat and his targets were Republican?