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Offline MH

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #105 on: April 28, 2022, 03:20:15 pm »
The answer, again, is to have a policy agenda that addresses people's material problems that you can point to while pointing out that the other guys do not. It's simple, but Dems won't do it!

Another example: How much pandemic support went to working people under the Democrat President vs the Republican ?


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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #106 on: April 28, 2022, 03:54:19 pm »
The answer, again, is to have a policy agenda that addresses people's material problems that you can point to while pointing out that the other guys do not.
The problem is, you can come up with all the policies you want, you can publicize them constantly...

The problem is there is a large block of the electorate who are politically ignorant who will always be swayed by short soundbites. And more media attention will be dedicated to republican rhetoric than the media deserves.
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It's simple, but Dems won't do it!
What makes you think they don't? They certainly talked about policy during the last election (while at the same time the republicans were talking about "OMG! Biden is old! Laptop!") And since the election they have been promoting their infrastructure bill to their constituents.

See: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/democrats-sell-infrastructure-bill-push-for-biden-backup

The whole "Democrats don't do things right" just seems like a weird claim. What do you expect them to do, go door to door and tie voters to a chair to force them to list a "democrats' greatest hits" list?

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #107 on: April 28, 2022, 08:36:31 pm »
The problem is, you can come up with all the policies you want, you can publicize them constantly...

The problem is there is a large block of the electorate who are politically ignorant who will always be swayed by short soundbites. And more media attention will be dedicated to republican rhetoric than the media deserves.

I don't disagree, but the Dem's preferred course of action is usually to blame their own left flank.

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What makes you think they don't? They certainly talked about policy during the last election (while at the same time the republicans were talking about "OMG! Biden is old! Laptop!") And since the election they have been promoting their infrastructure bill to their constituents.

See: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/democrats-sell-infrastructure-bill-push-for-biden-backup

Did they pass BBB? Eliminate student loan debt? Ban new oil and gas leases on federal lands and offshore waters? Roll back Trump’s 2017 cuts to corporate tax rates? Their big signature achievement is a glorified highway bill, that's not gonna fire up their base or get anyone else on side.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2022, 01:14:20 am »
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The problem is, you can come up with all the policies you want, you can publicize them constantly...

The problem is there is a large block of the electorate who are politically ignorant who will always be swayed by short soundbites. And more media attention will be dedicated to republican rhetoric than the media deserves.
I don't disagree, but the Dem's preferred course of action is usually to blame their own left flank.
There is a lot of squabbling between the far left and moderates during primaries. But at this point most of the criticism is aimed at Republicans and Manchin/Sinema.

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What makes you think they don't? They certainly talked about policy during the last election (while at the same time the republicans were talking about "OMG! Biden is old! Laptop!") And since the election they have been promoting their infrastructure bill to their constituents.
Did they pass BBB? Eliminate student loan debt? .... Roll back Trump’s 2017 cuts to corporate tax rates?
You are right... they haven't passed many pieces of legislation that would otherwise be beneficial (both to the voters themselves, and to the fortunes of the Democrats... assuming of course they actually get credit for passing it.)

The problem is obstructionism from the republicans (and, to a lesser degree, Manchin/Sinema). Their ability to "get things done" is severely curtailed, not by people who have big ideas about what to do, but by a party that largely runs on culture wars. Kind of hard to pass anything in that environment. (And sadly they will be at a disadvantage for the foreseeable future, because of the amount of political power concentrated in rural, pro-republican areas. And no amount of "look at what we want to do" will help with that.)

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Ban new oil and gas leases on federal lands and offshore waters?
This is one of the few things that the Biden administration could do, even with a obstructionist republicans in congress.

Would it be a good idea from an environmental standpoint? Maybe. Probably. But in a time of surging gas prices, taking actions that might be seen as further increasing prices might be harmful politically. (Even if those gas leases wouldn't result in new supplies for years, it would still be a bad image.)


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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2022, 09:34:05 am »
There is a lot of squabbling between the far left and moderates during primaries. But at this point most of the criticism is aimed at Republicans and Manchin/Sinema.

I haven't seen much of that, at least from the party itself.

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You are right... they haven't passed many pieces of legislation that would otherwise be beneficial (both to the voters themselves, and to the fortunes of the Democrats... assuming of course they actually get credit for passing it.)

The problem is obstructionism from the republicans (and, to a lesser degree, Manchin/Sinema). Their ability to "get things done" is severely curtailed, not by people who have big ideas about what to do, but by a party that largely runs on culture wars. Kind of hard to pass anything in that environment. (And sadly they will be at a disadvantage for the foreseeable future, because of the amount of political power concentrated in rural, pro-republican areas. And no amount of "look at what we want to do" will help with that.)

They have two out of three branches of government! If they can't pass anything, that's on them and their inability to get Manchin/Sinema on board. You simply don't see that kind of flagrant disregard for the part agenda from the GOP.

(Also they don't need Congress to eliminate student loan debt, that can be done by EO.)
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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #110 on: May 01, 2022, 12:26:40 am »
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There is a lot of squabbling between the far left and moderates during primaries. But at this point most of the criticism is aimed at Republicans and Manchin/Sinema.
I haven't seen much of that, at least from the party itself.
Really? That's where i hear most of the criticism.

For example: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/joe-manchin-voting-rights-bill-492072

Admittedly, the higher-ups in the party may not be as vocal in their criticism because they recognize the need to keep the 2 of them on board when their hold on the Senate is so slim.

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The problem is obstructionism from the republicans (and, to a lesser degree, Manchin/Sinema). Their ability to "get things done" is severely curtailed, not by people who have big ideas about what to do, but by a party that largely runs on culture wars. Kind of hard to pass anything in that environment. (And sadly they will be at a disadvantage for the foreseeable future, because of the amount of political power concentrated in rural, pro-republican areas. And no amount of "look at what we want to do" will help with that.)
They have two out of three branches of government! If they can't pass anything, that's on them and their inability to get Manchin/Sinema on board.
It's the nature of U.S. politics... unlike the Canadian system, you don't really have the same requirements for party solidarity. And Manchin is from a deep-red state... it's understandable that he would have a voting record that differs from most democrats. (Sinema's case is a little different... she went from being a Green party candidate to being a republican-lite. She may risk getting primaried next time she is up for re-election.)
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You simply don't see that kind of flagrant disregard for the part agenda from the GOP.
Of course, the last time the GOP was in charge, they didn't actually DO anything (apart from their tax-cuts-for-millionaires). Their plan to kill off Americans through repealing Obamacare failed. (And they had a bigger majority than the Democrats do now!)
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(Also they don't need Congress to eliminate student loan debt, that can be done by EO.)
Actually, it's not exactly clear that he can eliminate debts via EO. Some experts say yes he can, others say no, he can't.

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/21/can-joe-biden-forgive-student-debt-without-congress-experts-weigh-in.html
The legal arguments around whether or not a president can nix the debt get complicated, fast...  Luke Herrine, a Ph.D. candidate at Yale Law School...“Basically it’s like the power that a prosecutor has to determine whether to bring charges against somebody"... Ryan D. Doerfler, a law professor at the University of Chicago, can also see such a move being met by a myriad of challenges. For example, he said, opponents may say that the U.S. Department of Education can deliver relief to borrowers only in specific circumstances.

From: https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2021/09/14/can-biden-forgive-student-loans-through-an-executive-order/
“At this point, it’s technically still unclear whether the President has the authority to simply do broad forgiveness with the stroke of a pen,” Carlo Salerno, vice president for research at CampusLogic and a longtime higher education economist, tells Fortune. “He asked the Education Department six months ago now for legal clarification. I think most experts agree that if he did have the authority, it would’ve already happened."...House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has given her thoughts....she told reporters the White House doesn’t have the power to wipe out borrowers’ student loans through an executive order. Instead, she said, that would need to be an act passed through Congress.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #111 on: May 02, 2022, 11:59:07 am »
Really? That's where i hear most of the criticism.

The headline literally says "The left hates Joe Manchin. His fellow Senate Dems are staying quiet." And the article itself is about how the party won't bad mouth him out loud, and it's not just the higehr-ups.

Oh and that piece of garbage just cut an ad for a Republican boasting about how he sunk BBB.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2022, 05:21:09 pm »
Ron Desantis got caught co-governing with an unregistered foreign agent for the Putin-controlled country of Georgia. So he blamed the media, of course

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« Reply #113 on: June 09, 2022, 08:22:28 pm »
Ron Desantis got caught co-governing with an unregistered foreign agent for the Putin-controlled country of Georgia. So he blamed the media, of course

You should know by now that The Joker doesn't play by the rules.


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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #114 on: July 25, 2022, 05:08:21 pm »

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« Reply #115 on: July 25, 2022, 10:54:09 pm »
(Picture of protesters with both nazi flags and a DeSantis banner)
A little more information might be of interest...

From: https://people.com/politics/florida-governor-ron-desantis-has-not-denounced-neo-nazi-supporters/
The group gathered outside the Tampa Convention Center, which was playing host to the conservative Turning Point USA Student Action Summit. Photos taken of the group show them waving posters with anti-Semitic imagery, such as swastikas and Nazi flags, along with the Florida state flag and a poster showing DeSantis' face....Florida Agriculture Commissioner and Democratic gubernatorial candidate Nikki Fried held a press conference in the same place, urging DeSantis to denounce the group....Fellow Democratic gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist — who served as Florida's Republican governor from 2007 to 2011 but later switched political parties — also criticized DeSantis for not yet condemning the display.

I suspect Deathsantis will react the same way Stubby Mcbonespurs did when he had to deal with racist supporters... EVENTUALLY give a half-hearted weak condemnation some time after things have died down. (Remember how he claimed he "didn't know David Duke", even though he had previously mentioned him by name.)

Of course, being linked to NeoNazis is probably beneficial for DeathSantis if he is trying to win the Republican primaries, but likely harmful in a general election.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #116 on: August 19, 2022, 01:40:35 pm »
Judge blocks Florida anti-woke la

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A Florida judge on Thursday declared a Florida law championed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis that restricts race-based conversation and analysis in business and education unconstitutional.

Tallahassee U.S. District Judge Mark Walker said in a 44-page ruling that the “Stop WOKE” act violates the First Amendment and is impermissibly vague. Walker also refused to issue a stay that would keep the law in effect during any appeal by the state.

The law targets what DeSantis has called a “pernicious” ideology exemplified by critical race theory – the idea that racism is systemic in U.S. institutions that serve to perpetuate white dominance in society.

Walker said the law, as applied to diversity, inclusion and bias training in businesses, turns the First Amendment “upside down” because the state is barring speech by prohibiting discussion of certain concepts in training programs.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #117 on: August 19, 2022, 06:02:41 pm »
Judge blocks Florida anti-woke la
Yeah they need to adjust the legislation a bit.  I can understand them wanting to ban a lot of the racist anti-white bullshit that you guys love.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #118 on: August 19, 2022, 08:08:11 pm »
Yeah they need to adjust the legislation a bit.  I can understand them wanting to ban a lot of the racist anti-white bullshit that you guys love.


You sure love chugging daddy government’s balls don’t you, little fascist freak.
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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #119 on: August 27, 2022, 08:39:09 am »
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