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Offline Spike The Hike Shady

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« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2022, 12:20:35 pm »
Ok what else did they do.

Weird that someone who believes in "free speech" and the "free market" is cool with the idea that the state should be able to punish a private corporation for exercising its own constitutionally protected right to speech.

Weird how you weren't against this or crony capitalism in general until it became part of the culture war.

Weird that you ignore the part where this move probably benefits Disney and hurts taxpayers.

j/k it's not weird at all when one considers that you will reverse engineer any justification for actions that you see as owning the libs, even if it completely flies in the face of your other stated convictions because that's what hacks do.
They originally released a statement saying they were going to remain neutral, but then they caved to their crazy woke employees and began to escalate things, ultimately indicating they were going to try to overturn the legislation.  Regardless, a "free market" that you refer to isn't one company getting special status.  How the f**k do you think that's a free market?  Like I've said, if this is what was necessary to ultimately lead to the end of crony capitalism and uncover the decades of special treatment Disney has received by both Republican and Democrat administrations in Florida, then so be it.  It's a good thing.  It's also a good thing to remind corporations that they do not govern the state, that responsibility is held with the duly elected officials and the governor.  In otherwords, take your woke bullsh*t, roll it up really tight, and shove it up your candy a**.

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« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2022, 12:28:32 pm »
They originally released a statement saying they were going to remain neutral, but then they caved to their crazy woke employees and began to escalate things, ultimately indicating they were going to try to overturn the legislation. 

"Escalate things" by...releasing another statement. Oooooh!

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Regardless, a "free market" that you refer to isn't one company getting special status.  How the f**k do you think that's a free market? 

Every day you find new ways to impress me with the depths of your stupidity.

Conservatives have advanced the idea that corporations have the legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons, including the right to free speech. If you believe in free speech, then the idea of the state punishing a corporation for exercising that right should be deeply disturbing to you, but here you are, cheering it on, becaus eyou don't have any principles beyond "owning the libs."

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Like I've said, if this is what was necessary to ultimately lead to the end of crony capitalism and uncover the decades of special treatment Disney has received by both Republican and Democrat administrations in Florida, then so be it.  It's a good thing.

"It's good that the government punishes free speech because it means an end to this thing I didn't even know existed until 15 minutes ago."-Shiddy

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It's also a good thing to remind corporations that they do not govern the state, that responsibility is held with the duly elected officials and the governor. In otherwords, take your woke bullsh*t, roll it up really tight, and shove it up your candy a**.

Using the power of the state to discipline independent actors who don't fall in line with the current obsessions of state officials is a good example of fascism.
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« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2022, 12:35:01 pm »
Seems like it's going to be pretty much impossible for Florida to get out of this deal with Disney anyway and would cost taxpayers billions, so really it's just a bunch of performative vice-signalling by DeSantis.


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« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2022, 01:14:45 pm »
"Escalate things" by...releasing another statement. Oooooh!

Every day you find new ways to impress me with the depths of your stupidity.

Conservatives have advanced the idea that corporations have the legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons, including the right to free speech. If you believe in free speech, then the idea of the state punishing a corporation for exercising that right should be deeply disturbing to you, but here you are, cheering it on, becaus eyou don't have any principles beyond "owning the libs."

"It's good that the government punishes free speech because it means an end to this thing I didn't even know existed until 15 minutes ago."-Shiddy

Using the power of the state to discipline independent actors who don't fall in line with the current obsessions of state officials is a good example of fascism.
Treating businesses equally isn't punishing people.  They shouldn't have these special exemptions anyways, it's crony capitalism.  The fact that this incident brought this to light is a good thing.  Yes, forcing a company to pay it's taxes, and be governed under the law every other business is, is definitely a good example of fascism!  You're a clown.

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« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2022, 01:15:57 pm »
Seems like it's going to be pretty much impossible for Florida to get out of this deal with Disney anyway and would cost taxpayers billions, so really it's just a bunch of performative vice-signalling by DeSantis.
Yes, it doesn't surprise me that the decades long crony capitalism arrangement will be difficult to unwind.  It doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.  Keep fighting for the oligarchy though.

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« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2022, 01:21:40 pm »
Treating businesses equally isn't punishing people.  They shouldn't have these special exemptions anyways, it's crony capitalism.  The fact that this incident brought this to light is a good thing.  Yes, forcing a company to pay it's taxes, and be governed under the law every other business is, is definitely a good example of fascism!  You're a clown.

Punishing a company for exercising its right to free speech is and it's hilarious you are pretending it's not.

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« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2022, 01:22:27 pm »
Yes, it doesn't surprise me that the decades long crony capitalism arrangement will be difficult to unwind.  It doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.  Keep fighting for the oligarchy though.

You stared a whole thread to kiss Elon Musks's balls, I don't think I'm the oligarchy fan here.

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« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2022, 02:27:25 pm »
Punishing a company for exercising its right to free speech is and it's hilarious you are pretending it's not.
Once again, enforcing equality is not a punishment.  Ending crony capitalism should be something everyone supports.  But people like you have become so deranged, that supporting an oligarchy and crony capitalism is your new default position.

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« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2022, 02:35:07 pm »
Once again, enforcing equality is not a punishment. 

lol incredible

It most certainly was retaliatory.  Not because of speech, but because of a complete overreach by a corporation to impose its power over a duly elected government.
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« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2022, 02:47:51 pm »
lol incredible
Are you laughing because you don't understand that an action can be retaliatory but also just?  Is that why you're laughing you grinning idiot?

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« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2022, 03:05:23 pm »
Are you laughing because you don't understand that an action can be retaliatory but also just?  Is that why you're laughing you grinning idiot?

No dorkwad, I'm laughing because you literally denied that it was punishment today after admitting it was retaliation for Disney's response to the bigot bill two days ago. You can't keep your story straight because you're a gibbering cretin clumsily trying to spin this transparent attack on free speech as some kind of populist anti-oligarch move even though literally no one is arguing against getting rid of Disney's special tax district status on principle.
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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2022, 06:31:44 pm »
So ... my attention span has wasted about 2 minutes on this Florida bill.

One side calls it "don't say Gay" bill
Other side calls it "anti grooming bill

It's a bill to not talk about sexuality from K-3.  We didn't talk about it when I went to school for those ages and I'm pretty sure it didn't matter.  Pretty soon after, we did.

To call it an anti-grooming bill is vile and equates sex education with pedos.

My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.
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« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2022, 09:04:31 pm »
So ... my attention span has wasted about 2 minutes on this Florida bill.

One side calls it "don't say Gay" bill
Other side calls it "anti grooming bill

It's a bill to not talk about sexuality from K-3.  We didn't talk about it when I went to school for those ages and I'm pretty sure it didn't matter.  Pretty soon after, we did.

To call it an anti-grooming bill is vile and equates sex education with pedos.

My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.

No.



Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2022, 09:15:15 pm »
The case seems to be that the bill is poorly worded.

That's dumb, and could/should work against them.

I refuse to take the bait and join this stupid fight.

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Re: The Ron DeSantis Thread
« Reply #89 on: April 28, 2022, 01:49:10 am »
So ... my attention span has wasted about 2 minutes on this Florida bill.

One side calls it "don't say Gay" bill
Other side calls it "anti grooming bill

Call me jaded, but I don't see a ton of difference between the right shouting "groomers!" at the left, and the left shouting "racists/bigots!" at the right.

It's a bill to not talk about sexuality from K-3.  We didn't talk about it when I went to school for those ages and I'm pretty sure it didn't matter.  Pretty soon after, we did.

Yes but that was before we understood that kids will kill themselves if they don't learn about The Genderbread Person before they're six.

Now we understand that if you don't support gender identity education for K-3 students, you're literally killing trans baby angels with your bare hands.

To call it an anti-grooming bill is vile and equates sex education with pedos.

It depends what you consider grooming.

Groomed for underage sex? No.

Groomed to believe nonsense? Yes.

My conclusion: these people would rather fight than talk about real problems.

Culture war stuff is free money for politicians of all stripes. It looks different in Ottawa than in Florida or California or France, but the general idea is the same.


The case seems to be that the bill is poorly worded.

That's dumb, and could/should work against them.

I refuse to take the bait and join this stupid fight.

Yeah, they make a good argument that the bill is badly written, but if they fixed it to achieve perfect clarity that wouldn't make any of the outrage go away. People aren't calling it "the badly worded bill" or calling for boycotts because it lacks clarity.

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