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Offline JMT

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #660 on: January 21, 2021, 11:53:37 am »
The amending formula doesn't and the Charter doesn't.

No, but the powers of various levels of government and their construction do. I would also hope that the Charter would ever be changed, except to make it stronger.

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« Reply #661 on: January 21, 2021, 12:22:21 pm »
Would the constitution and charter need to be changed if we ever decided to outlaw in-camera lobbying?  I don't see why it would or should but this is Canada where moving Heaven and Earth is easier than moving Ottawa so...

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« Reply #662 on: January 21, 2021, 01:04:32 pm »
Would the constitution and charter need to be changed if we ever decided to outlaw in-camera lobbying?  I don't see why it would or should but this is Canada where moving Heaven and Earth is easier than moving Ottawa so...

All those ex politicians need jobs.
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« Reply #663 on: January 21, 2021, 01:48:22 pm »
All those ex politicians need jobs.
They'd still be as free as ever to pursue a career in the business of influencing governments - transparency wouldn't prevent that and if anything they'd probably have to bill their clients more to account for the time it would take to make more convincing arguments that lead to greater buy-in for whatever they're trying to achieve. 

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« Reply #664 on: January 21, 2021, 02:50:52 pm »
They'd still be as free as ever to pursue a career in the business of influencing governments - transparency wouldn't prevent that and if anything they'd probably have to bill their clients more to account for the time it would take to make more convincing arguments that lead to greater buy-in for whatever they're trying to achieve.

I was being facetious, I actually agree with you.
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« Reply #665 on: January 21, 2021, 02:58:50 pm »
All those ex politicians need jobs.

Are we still restricted to personal donations only ?  In other words, lobbying doesn't currently carry a monetary reward for the politician ?

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« Reply #666 on: January 21, 2021, 03:06:29 pm »
Are we still restricted to personal donations only ?  In other words, lobbying doesn't currently carry a monetary reward for the politician ?

Unless you count lucrative jobs or contracts once out of government.
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« Reply #667 on: January 21, 2021, 03:17:31 pm »
Are we still restricted to personal donations only ?  In other words, lobbying doesn't currently carry a monetary reward for the politician ?
I'm pretty sure it's a revolving door they're angling for now, which is probably such a given it doesn't need mentioning.  - it's a lot easier and less incriminating than handing over a bag of money.

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« Reply #668 on: January 21, 2021, 03:43:10 pm »
Unless you count lucrative jobs or contracts once out of government.

That's a lot harder to bribe people with but sure.

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« Reply #669 on: January 21, 2021, 03:46:17 pm »
That's a lot harder to bribe people with but sure.

The companies which get the contracts can make it very lucrative for the lobbyists who land them.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #670 on: January 21, 2021, 05:47:37 pm »
The companies which get the contracts can make it very lucrative for the lobbyists who land them.

But the policy makers need to be influenced by.... there could be a job in this after you leave politics.

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« Reply #671 on: January 21, 2021, 07:47:15 pm »
But the policy makers need to be influenced by.... there could be a job in this after you leave politics.

Sure, why not?

Look at the "Little Guy from Shawinigan". Since he left politics he has spent the rest of his life sitting on corporate boards and acting as their ambassador.
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« Reply #672 on: January 21, 2021, 07:49:56 pm »
Sure, why not?

Look at the "Little Guy from Shawinigan". Since he left politics he has spent the rest of his life sitting on corporate boards and acting as their ambassador.

In the least, you must agree that it's less persuasive than "I have $1M for your PAC right now if you support this"

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« Reply #673 on: January 21, 2021, 07:51:09 pm »
In the least, you must agree that it's less persuasive than "I have $1M for your PAC right now if you support this"

Certainly
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« Reply #674 on: January 22, 2021, 09:44:26 am »
If anyone thought Trump losing and being humiliated on the way out would give Republicans second thoughts about carrying on down the path they are on, think again.

It's fascinating to see them completely abandon any pretence of having any kind of vision or principles and just keep pushing fear, victimhood and division.