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Offline waldo

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« Reply #645 on: January 20, 2021, 01:44:30 pm »
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« Reply #646 on: January 20, 2021, 01:50:36 pm »
All of that is irrelevant. Legislation has to pass both houses.

Their constitution is 200 years older than ours, who knows how relevant ours will be in the Canada of 160 years from now
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« Reply #647 on: January 20, 2021, 01:52:57 pm »
Please stop saying this because whenever I hear "Joe Biden" I imagine one word:  Jobiden.

It's "Jobiden"

Also... no liberal is truly happy today.  The shards of a once-great nation do not make a nation.  No matter what, the anti-democratic scammers have now got a playbook on how to undermine everything.

The scammed are so scammable that they applaud the scammer who pardonned the scammer who scammed them for money to finish an unfinished wall that was a scam from the outset.

 Sad day. Down escalator.
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« Reply #648 on: January 20, 2021, 02:15:56 pm »
All of that is irrelevant. Legislation has to pass both houses.

Ok so you're basically saying they should abolish the Senate or that it shouldn't have lawmaking ability and that states should have no vote in lawmaking.

Making the Senate rep by pop would make it exactly like the House and therefore redundant.

But you were also saying that they should admit reps for Puerto Rico and I believe DC to the Senate.  I believe the crux of your argument as you've said before is that the Senate (and electoral college) makes Congress (and the POTUS) more Republican/conservative than the actual population of the US and this is unfair and therefore should be reformed.
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« Reply #649 on: January 20, 2021, 02:51:13 pm »
All of that is irrelevant. Legislation has to pass both houses.

Exactly.  That’s the issue is that the senate, made up of a few small population states, can essentially shut down legislation that the majority of the country, represented by their seats/population in the other chamber, pass.
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« Reply #650 on: January 20, 2021, 03:00:07 pm »
Ok so you're basically saying they should abolish the Senate or that it shouldn't have lawmaking ability and that states should have no vote in lawmaking.

Making the Senate rep by pop would make it exactly like the House and therefore redundant.

But you were also saying that they should admit reps for Puerto Rico and I believe DC to the Senate.  I believe the crux of your argument as you've said before is that the Senate (and electoral college) makes Congress (and the POTUS) more Republican/conservative than the actual population of the US and this is unfair and therefore should be reformed.

Is there any reason to keep the Senate except to incentivize obstructionism and ensure a minoritarian rule?
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« Reply #651 on: January 20, 2021, 04:57:31 pm »
Is there any reason to keep the Senate except to incentivize obstructionism and ensure a minoritarian rule?

They can't get rid of it. Assuming you could get rid of the Senate with an amendment, it requires a 2/3 majority in both houses and has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. The Senate would have to vote to abolish itself and 3/4 of the states would have to agree.
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« Reply #652 on: January 20, 2021, 11:08:58 pm »
Of all the things that occurred today as Biden took office, the poem written/read by Amanda Gorman will certainly be one thing that will stick with me. Brilliant writing, excellent delivery. Good for her and good for the US. A breath of fresh air from south of the border.

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« Reply #653 on: January 20, 2021, 11:29:55 pm »
Of all the things that occurred today as Biden took office, the poem written/read by Amanda Gorman will certainly be one thing that will stick with me. Brilliant writing, excellent delivery. Good for her and good for the US. A breath of fresh air from south of the border.

I’m glad Canada doesn't have all that nonsense.
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« Reply #654 on: January 21, 2021, 07:41:36 am »
Their constitution is 200 years older than ours, who knows how relevant ours will be in the Canada of 160 years from now

I would hope we’d change it then.

Btw, most of the material parts we’re talking about here aren’t much older, and are in some cases younger than the similar part of ours.

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« Reply #655 on: January 21, 2021, 07:43:10 am »
I’m glad Canada doesn't have all that nonsense.

For a country that hates monarchy so much, they sure act like a monarchy.

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« Reply #656 on: January 21, 2021, 09:18:27 am »
I would hope we’d change it then.

Btw, most of the material parts we’re talking about here aren’t much older, and are in some cases younger than the similar part of ours.

Have you looked at our amending formula, it is almost as impossible as the US to make real change.

The US constitution was written in the late 18th century, ours dates to 1982.
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« Reply #657 on: January 21, 2021, 10:48:42 am »
They can't get rid of it. Assuming you could get rid of the Senate with an amendment, it requires a 2/3 majority in both houses and has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. The Senate would have to vote to abolish itself and 3/4 of the states would have to agree.

"It would be hard to get rid of it" is not an argument for retaining it though.

With that being said, there are legislative solutions to senate reform that stop short of abolition that could fix what ails it such as simply redistributing the seats.
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« Reply #658 on: January 21, 2021, 11:24:56 am »
The US constitution was written in the late 18th century, ours dates to 1982.

Ah, no, most of ours dates back to 1867. Parts of it predate Canada, and go back to the Royal Proclamation, 1763.

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« Reply #659 on: January 21, 2021, 11:30:53 am »
Ah, no, most of ours dates back to 1867. Parts of it predate Canada, and go back to the Royal Proclamation, 1763.

The amending formula doesn't and the Charter doesn't.
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