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Offline wilber

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #570 on: January 08, 2021, 07:24:27 pm »
Complete nonsense.  Slavery wasn’t even part of the constitution, it was actually in violation of it.  You’re a clown. 🤡

It wasn't a violation, slaves weren't even considered people when the Constitution was written. The first two Presidents were slave holders. A total of 12 presidents owned slaves at some time in their lives.
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« Reply #571 on: January 08, 2021, 07:25:05 pm »
You only think it's designed poorly because the party you support can't have more control of the government.  It's designed specifically to prevent what you want to happen, which means it's doing its job as intended.

It does nothing but create gridlock, and disenfranchise the majority. You protect against tyranny with a strong bill of rights, not by creating a different form a tyranny. 

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And what if he had confidence?  What if he bullied everyone out of his party caucus who didn't support him?

What if I were a horse?

We've seen in the UK and Australia what happens when the leader tries to bully the caucus.
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« Reply #572 on: January 08, 2021, 07:25:38 pm »
A Trump as a majority PM with the power of political life and death over his caucus is a frightening thought. A PM has more power over his caucus members than a President does over American legislators

That's only because caucus goes along with that.

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« Reply #573 on: January 08, 2021, 07:26:37 pm »
A Trump as a majority PM with the power of political life and death over his caucus is a frightening thought. A PM has more power over his caucus members than a President does over American legislators
Well said!

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« Reply #574 on: January 08, 2021, 07:28:48 pm »
You only think it's designed poorly because the party you support can't have more control of the government.  It's designed specifically to prevent what you want to happen, which means it's doing its job as intended.  In order to get laws passed you need the consent of the representatives of both the citizens and the states, and passing a POTUS veto.  What would be the point of having both a House and a Senate if they were both based on rep by pop, it would be redundant.

The framers never had Democrats or Republicans or any party in mind when they designed the system because those parties weren't even around at that time.

And what if he had confidence?  What if he bullied everyone out of his party caucus who didn't support him?
Exactly.  Nobody ever thinks of the consequences of their power grabs when the opposition controls power.  Democrats eliminated the judicial filibuster for Obama.  That led to Trump appointing 3 justices in one term.
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« Reply #575 on: January 08, 2021, 07:31:14 pm »
That's only because caucus goes along with that.

The US senate should be an object lesson on how that can happen.
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« Reply #576 on: January 08, 2021, 07:32:46 pm »
That's only because caucus goes along with that.
That’s because a PM has fundraising control over individual members.  In the United States, members can raise their own money and have independence from the president.  The president has less control over members of the house and senate.  That’s a good thing.

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« Reply #577 on: January 08, 2021, 07:34:39 pm »
Complete nonsense.  Slavery wasn’t even part of the constitution, it was actually in violation of it.  You’re a clown. 🤡

Are you really this fuckin' stupid?

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Slavery was implicitly recognized in the original Constitution in provisions such as Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, commonly known as the Three-Fifths Compromise, which provided that three-fifths of each state's enslaved population (“other persons”) was to be added to its free population for the purposes of apportioning seats in the United States House of Representatives and direct taxes among the states.
. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

You really had NO idea that slavery was part of the USA constitution, did you?  You really are THAT clueless about stuff you claim to know something about...  wow. 
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« Reply #578 on: January 08, 2021, 07:36:40 pm »
Are you really this fuckin' stupid?
. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

You really had NO idea that slavery was part of the USA constitution, did you?  You really are THAT clueless about stuff you claim to know something about...  wow.
And why were they three fifths?  Also, implicit means implied though not plainly expressed.  So yes, slavery was not part of the constitution.
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« Reply #579 on: January 08, 2021, 07:39:43 pm »
And why were they three fifths?  Also, implicit means implied though not plainly expressed.  So yes, slavery was not part of the constitution.

Let's go back to the part where you said slavery wasn't in the Constitution....  why were you wrong about something so simple and basic? 
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« Reply #580 on: January 08, 2021, 07:41:27 pm »


We've seen in the UK and Australia what happens when the leader tries to bully the caucus.

Party discipline is much more strict in Canada. If you vote against the government in Canada you are instantly turfed from caucus. Brit MP's voting against the government is not unusual at all.
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« Reply #581 on: January 08, 2021, 07:43:00 pm »
Let's go back to the part where you said slavery wasn't in the Constitution....  why were you wrong about something so simple and basic?
It’s not.  Slavery in no way is outlined, ratified, explained, given right to, etc.  It existed before the constitution.  The three fifths was a compromise between non-slave state’s and slave states.  Non-slaves states didn’t want three fifths, they wanted slaves to not count at all.  Zero.  Slave states wanted slaves to count as full citizens.  They compromised at three fifths.

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« Reply #582 on: January 08, 2021, 07:43:09 pm »
And why were they three fifths?  Also, implicit means implied though not plainly expressed.  So yes, slavery was not part of the constitution.

Did you know about this part of the Constitution?

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Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1, is one of a handful of provisions in the original Constitution related to slavery, though it does not use the word “slave.” This Clause prohibited the federal government from limiting the importation of “persons” (understood at the time to mean primarily enslaved African persons) where the existing state governments saw fit to allow it, until some twenty years after the Constitution took effect. It was a compromise between Southern states, where slavery was pivotal to the economy, and states where the abolition of slavery had been accomplished or was contemplated.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-i/clauses/761

Or do you still insist that there were no references to slavery in the constitution? 
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« Reply #583 on: January 08, 2021, 07:44:10 pm »
It’s not.  Slavery in no way is outlined, ratified, explained, given right to, etc.  It existed before the constitution.  The three fifths was a compromise between non-slave state’s and slave states.  Non-slaves states didn’t want three fifths, they wanted slaves to not count at all.  Zero.  Slave states wanted slaves to count as full citizens.

Slave states wanted slaves to count for funding, not to be citizens.   ::)
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« Reply #584 on: January 08, 2021, 07:44:52 pm »
Party discipline is much more strict in Canada. If you vote against the government in Canada you are instantly turfed from caucus. Brit MP's voting against the government is not unusual at all.

We're talking about a hypothetical mad man. They can't turf everyone.