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« Reply #555 on: January 08, 2021, 06:10:32 pm »
"Waaah it's mean when the other side does the stuff we do all the time waaaah."
No.  The Republicans never got rid of the judicial filibuster.  Not even when Bush was president.  It was unprecedented by the Democrats when they got rid of it. 

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« Reply #556 on: January 08, 2021, 06:14:08 pm »
Democrats hold all the cards, they don't need Republicans for anything now that they have both chambers and the executive. 

I don't see things changing for a while either, not because the Democrats are popular, but because Trump destroyed the GOP.  The base hates anyone who didn't support the seditionists and the seditionists lost the respect of moderates and independents.

Romney didn't wait until the house was on fire to show courage, it makes sense to reach out to him.

McConnell should GFH.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.  They can’t do anything substantial without Republican support.  And Democrats aren’t popular.  That’s why even with Biden winning, they lost 10 seats in the house, only picked up 2 seats in the senate and that was this week.  And they didn’t pick up a single state legislature in a redistricting year.  All swing states will be redistricted by Republicans this year that will last until the beginning of the next decade.

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« Reply #557 on: January 08, 2021, 06:23:48 pm »
The senate is the problem child of America. 

A majority of states with a minority of population, who happen to be backwater religious whack-jobs, control government.

The 53 Republican senators represent 15 million less people than the 47 Democrat senators.
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« Reply #558 on: January 08, 2021, 06:45:22 pm »
The senate is the problem child of America. 

A majority of states with a minority of population, who happen to be backwater religious whack-jobs, control government.

The 53 Republican senators represent 15 million less people than the 47 Democrat senators.

It was designed that way.  The country isn't called the United Citizens of America.  You get your representation by population in the House (which isn't perfectly rep by pop i know).  The system was designed so the states can't dominate the individual citizens, and the citizens can't dominate the states.  It's a system based on checks and balances via broad consent and compromise.

In Canada there are fewer checks and balances.  The Senate and the GG are essentially rubber stamps by convention and are chosen by the same people who make the laws, and there's no executive veto because there's no separation of powers between the executive and legislature.  If Trump was the PM and was re-elected long enough, in a majority he could have control of the legislature and also hand-pick the GG and most of the Senate and Supreme Court while also having no term limits for himself.
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« Reply #559 on: January 08, 2021, 06:47:56 pm »
It was designed that way.  The country isn't called the United Citizens of America.  You get your representation by population in the House (which isn't perfectly rep by pop i know).  The system was designed so the states can't dominate the individual citizens, and the citizens can't dominate the states.  It's a system based on checks and balances via broad consent and compromise.

In Canada there are fewer checks and balances.  The Senate and the GG are essentially rubber stamps by convention and are chosen by the same people who make the laws, and there's no executive veto because there's no separation of powers between the executive and legislature.  If Trump was the PM and was re-elected long enough, in a majority he could have control of the legislature and also hand-pick the GG and most of the Senate and Supreme Court while also having no term limits for himself.
Exactly.  The senate is designed to be a cooling mechanism of the legislative branch of the federal government.  Many people are ignorant of that fact.  Especially Canadians.
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« Reply #560 on: January 08, 2021, 06:50:05 pm »
The senate is the problem child of America. 

A majority of states with a minority of population, who happen to be backwater religious whack-jobs, control government.

The 53 Republican senators represent 15 million less people than the 47 Democrat senators.

Agreed, the situation is even worse than EC for the senate, but there is a genuine backlash right now against Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Tom Cotton et al, from the base.  Of course, many may hold their nose and vote for them anyway, but if Trumpism continues its threat against those that didn't kiss the ring, things could continue to get worse for the party. 

The Trumps have openly said they'd support primaries against the establishment and they're petty enough to burn the party down out of pride.  It'll be interesting to see Trumpism cannibalize the Republican party and where things head from here. 

I think Dems will be the biggest benefactors, even without making any constitutional changes, adding states or dividing existing ones.  For the next little while anyway.
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« Reply #561 on: January 08, 2021, 06:50:56 pm »
It was designed that way.  The country isn't called the United Citizens of America.

Yes, it was designed poorly.

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In Canada there are fewer checks and balances.

If you think that a caretaker PM without the benefit of confidence could be as dangerous as Trump is right now, I can't help you.
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« Reply #562 on: January 08, 2021, 07:11:51 pm »
Yes, it was designed poorly.
No it was designed perfectly.  It’s better for things to be a bit slower than too fast.  You should read a book on the founders intent.  Things might make more sense to you and the other pseudo-superior sounding members of the forum.
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« Reply #563 on: January 08, 2021, 07:13:16 pm »
No it was designed perfectly.

It's a comparatively shitty system of government. The US is like the only first world country to use it.
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« Reply #564 on: January 08, 2021, 07:15:09 pm »
No it was designed perfectly.  It’s better for things to be a bit slower than too fast.  You should read a book on the founders intent.  Things might make more sense to you and the other pseudo-superior sounding members of the forum.

The founders’ intent was to preserve slavery and their own wealth.
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« Reply #565 on: January 08, 2021, 07:15:27 pm »
It was designed that way.  The country isn't called the United Citizens of America.  You get your representation by population in the House (which isn't perfectly rep by pop i know).  The system was designed so the states can't dominate the individual citizens, and the citizens can't dominate the states.  It's a system based on checks and balances via broad consent and compromise.

It’s very bad design when Wyoming has as much political power as California.  It’s actually idiotic.

Why would states be more important than citizens in a democracy?

Consent?  No...  a minority can rule over the majority.  That’s not consent.


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In Canada there are fewer checks and balances.  The Senate and the GG are essentially rubber stamps by convention and are chosen by the same people who make the laws, and there's no executive veto because there's no separation of powers between the executive and legislature.  If Trump was the PM and was re-elected long enough, in a majority he could have control of the legislature and also hand-pick the GG and most of the Senate and Supreme Court while also having no term limits for himself.

“If Trump was the PM”...  except Trump couldn’t get near the PM, nor could he have retained the confidence of the House.  In theory, America is amazing... well...  if you listen to Americans tell it at least.  In reality, it’s a shitshow that doesn’t work as well as any other western democracy.  They are near the bottom of the list of western democracies in terms of liberty, freedoms, corruption, etc.

#25 on the list of the Democracy Index.  Canada is tied for 7th.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

So if you actually have measurable, they suck...   if you buy in to the bullshit jingoism, like yourself, then I guess they’re great.

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« Reply #566 on: January 08, 2021, 07:17:37 pm »
It's a comparatively shitty system of government. The US is like the only first world country to use it.
That’s not an argument.
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« Reply #567 on: January 08, 2021, 07:18:47 pm »
The founders’ intent was to preserve slavery and their own wealth.
Complete nonsense.  Slavery wasn’t even part of the constitution, it was actually in violation of it.  You’re a clown. 🤡

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« Reply #568 on: January 08, 2021, 07:20:24 pm »


If you think that a caretaker PM without the benefit of confidence could be as dangerous as Trump is right now, I can't help you.

A Trump as a majority PM with the power of political life and death over his caucus is a frightening thought. A PM has more power over his caucus members than a President does over American legislators
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« Reply #569 on: January 08, 2021, 07:20:48 pm »
Yes, it was designed poorly.

You only think it's designed poorly because the party you support can't have more control of the government.  It's designed specifically to prevent what you want to happen, which means it's doing its job as intended.  In order to get laws passed you need the consent of the representatives of both the citizens and the states, and passing a POTUS veto.  What would be the point of having both a House and a Senate if they were both based on rep by pop, it would be redundant.

The framers never had Democrats or Republicans or any party in mind when they designed the system because those parties weren't even around at that time.

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If you think that a caretaker PM without the benefit of confidence could be as dangerous as Trump is right now, I can't help you.

And what if he had confidence?  What if he bullied everyone out of his party caucus who didn't support him?
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