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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #285 on: October 26, 2020, 12:23:38 pm »
It's all good fun but I would feel better if Biden didn't look so weak and somewhat confused when speaking.
That may be due to the stutter he had when he was younger.

Apparently you can correct the stutter in some cases, but there are still some lingering effects on the brain, including the occasional verbal gaffe (like searching for a word). It doesn't mean he is in mental decline, since it is something he has dealt with throughout his life.

Frankly I think in this election it may have helped him... Democrats have managed to steal away some senior voters from Trump (and they are often the most reliable demographic). Part of that may be because, well, Biden is "one of them".

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« Reply #286 on: October 26, 2020, 12:27:43 pm »
Tromp does a thousand times more interviews and campaign events.  Biden makes gaffes doing a tiny fraction of what Trump does.  Keep making excuses Biden cult, itís very entertaining!

Trump is a far better speaker than Biden, but one would need to ignore the content in Trump's words in order to judge him somehow a better choice than Biden.

Still, there is the antiwar factor that is far more important to Canadians and the rest of the world than is their domestic politics.
It's a toss up and I won't lose any sleep if Trump wins. In fact, more important is the gun violence that is inevitable with a Trump loss.

Violence with their guns is the only way that country is going to start to return to a normal democracy.
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #287 on: October 26, 2020, 12:29:27 pm »
Tromp does a thousand times more interviews and campaign events.  Biden makes gaffes doing a tiny fraction of what Trump does.  Keep making excuses Biden cult, itís very entertaining!

Trump may be running around a little more of late because he sees the polls and knows he's getting his ass kicked. What is entertaining, and a little scary, is how the trump cult accepts his obvious lies that appear constantly.

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« Reply #288 on: October 26, 2020, 12:31:05 pm »
That may be due to the stutter he had when he was younger.

Apparently you can correct the stutter in some cases, but there are still some lingering effects on the brain, including the occasional verbal gaffe (like searching for a word). It doesn't mean he is in mental decline, since it is something he has dealt with throughout his life.

Frankly I think in this election it may have helped him... Democrats have managed to steal away some senior voters from Trump (and they are often the most reliable demographic). Part of that may be because, well, Biden is "one of them".

I agree that it may not be mental decline, but whatever it is it doesn't look good for portraying strength and decisiveness.

None of us on this board are making any difference in the least by promoting one or the other. With that in mind, if possible, maybe being more objective would make these political conversations more interesting?
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« Reply #289 on: October 26, 2020, 12:33:19 pm »
Trump may be running around a little more of late because he sees the polls and knows he's getting his ass kicked. What is entertaining, and a little scary, is how the trump cult accepts his obvious lies that appear constantly.

On a realistic note, a Trump win is going to be anticlimatic and a huge letdown because the Biden supporters aren't naturally inclined to start deadly violence in the streets.
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« Reply #290 on: October 26, 2020, 12:41:00 pm »
On a realistic note, a Trump win is going to be anticlimatic and a huge letdown because the Biden supporters aren't naturally inclined to start deadly violence in the streets.

Well I guess on that note then there is at least a chance of a positive legacy for the Trump reign in that because he was reelected, he didn't start a street war. I guess we can always find a bit of a silver lining in any cloud. no matter how dark.

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« Reply #291 on: October 26, 2020, 12:50:13 pm »
Well I guess on that note then there is at least a chance of a positive legacy for the Trump reign in that because he was reelected, he didn't start a street war. I guess we can always find a bit of a silver lining in any cloud. no matter how dark.

If you think dreaming up that kind of scenario is productive?
I've already said several times that I'm really not convinced which one of them will be the best choice for foreign policy. I think a lot of Canadians have got themselves wrapped up int their domestic politics and are ignoring the possibilities of the US turning to more aggressive foreign policy with a Biden win. A daily visit to RT.com and antiwar.com would be enlightening for many people on this board.

If they found mostly lies they would at least become aware of how the lies are slanted by the US.
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« Reply #292 on: October 26, 2020, 12:51:06 pm »
Sniping at Biden is dumb, these "scandals" are boring.  It would be nice to talk about policies.  Imagine that.
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« Reply #293 on: October 26, 2020, 12:55:10 pm »
Biden is up 5 points in national poll averages over Clinton in 2016 at this same date before the election, that's a lot.  Only up on Clinton by 0.4% in top battleground states though.  Polls underestimated Trump in last election though, guess we'll see.
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« Reply #294 on: October 26, 2020, 01:05:22 pm »
Sniping at Biden is dumb, these "scandals" are boring.  It would be nice to talk about policies.  Imagine that.

Being realistic about Biden's deficiency on the soapbox isn't sniping at him. How about coming to the conclusion that none of the comments made on this board are going to make one bit of difference. That would allow everybody to be a lot more objective on what's truthful.

How vain of some people to think they're doing useful work for their chosen candidate!
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #295 on: October 26, 2020, 01:14:09 pm »
I've already said several times that I'm really not convinced which one of them will be the best choice for foreign policy. I think a lot of Canadians have got themselves wrapped up int their domestic politics and are ignoring the possibilities of the US turning to more aggressive foreign policy with a Biden win.
Ummm... why? The Democrats have never been particularly militaristic. During Obama's tenure, the U.S. was involved in Libya, but the U.S. didn't initiate it, and was just acting in response to an ongoing problem.

Plus, Democrats are likely to spend more on things like foreign aid and other elements of 'soft power', that tends to decrease the chance of international conflict.

While Trump hasn't engaged in any new military conflicts, that seems to be more due to luck than anything else. (And remember, the number of drone strikes has greatly increased under Trump, while at the same time oversight has decreased. Not a good combination.)

See: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

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A daily visit to RT.com and antiwar.com would be enlightening for many people on this board.
Why? RT is known as a site that combines a pro-russia bias with conspiracy theories.  Antiwar is a little bit more sane, but they still have a strong libertarian bias.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anti-war/
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #296 on: October 26, 2020, 01:20:15 pm »
Biden is up 5 points in national poll averages over Clinton in 2016 at this same date before the election, that's a lot.  Only up on Clinton by 0.4% in top battleground states though.  Polls underestimated Trump in last election though, guess we'll see.
Well, if it means anything, recent polling (just released today) shows that Biden is leading in the 3 main battleground states (Mich, Wisc, Pen.) up between 8 and 10 points, depending on the state. His lead in all 3 states has increased from a poll by the same organization a month ago.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522718-biden-stretches-lead-over-trump-in-mich-wis-and-penn-poll
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« Reply #297 on: October 26, 2020, 01:26:37 pm »
Sniping at Biden is dumb, these "scandals" are boring.  It would be nice to talk about policies.  Imagine that.
Yes it would be.

The problem is, the republicans don't really have any policies of note, and the ones they do tend to be either very unpopular (hey, lets lock kids in cages and give tax beaks to millionaires!) or lacking in substance (I will protect preexisting conditions! How? Well, I don't know... I just will.)

So, about republicans can do is snipe at Biden, and since Biden has no real major scandals, they have to basically manufacture them.

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« Reply #298 on: October 26, 2020, 02:21:25 pm »
Ummm... why? The Democrats have never been particularly militaristic. During Obama's tenure, the U.S. was involved in Libya, but the U.S. didn't initiate it, and was just acting in response to an ongoing problem.

Plus, Democrats are likely to spend more on things like foreign aid and other elements of 'soft power', that tends to decrease the chance of international conflict.

While Trump hasn't engaged in any new military conflicts, that seems to be more due to luck than anything else. (And remember, the number of drone strikes has greatly increased under Trump, while at the same time oversight has decreased. Not a good combination.)

See: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
Why? RT is known as a site that combines a pro-russia bias with conspiracy theories.  Antiwar is a little bit more sane, but they still have a strong libertarian bias.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anti-war/

Both antiwar.com and RT.com tell you how pro-Trump they both are. Then with RT.com you would be able to reason why they are pro-Trump. It's in their foreign policy interests of course!

As to antiwar.com they're less concerned now about antiwar interests than they're concerned with their libertarian rightist interests. But some at that site still believe that the antiwar cause is better served with Trump.
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #299 on: October 26, 2020, 02:26:54 pm »
Yes it would be.

The problem is, the republicans don't really have any policies of note, and the ones they do tend to be either very unpopular (hey, lets lock kids in cages and give tax beaks to millionaires!) or lacking in substance (I will protect preexisting conditions! How? Well, I don't know... I just will.)

So, about republicans can do is snipe at Biden, and since Biden has no real major scandals, they have to basically manufacture them.

Why do you think that locking children up in cages is not popular with Americans? You don't know that but you're making assumptions that could be based on human decency.

Locking children up in cages and separating them from their parents without keeping records was meant to scare the migrants so badly that they would give up trying.

Why would that be unpopular with Americans when at least the Trump supporters believe that the immigrants are to blame for their poverty?
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