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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2020, 09:25:37 pm »
NOW heís gonna start solving problems!

(Image showing how long Biden was a senator and Vice President)
Well, first of all, while senators have a certain amount of power, an individual senator does not have enough authority to 'fix' anything on his own. (Especially since the Republicans held a majority for at least some of the time he was a Senator.)

Of course, as senator, he: pushed for background checks on firearm purchases, helped set up a domestic violence help line, brought in legislation to improve education especially for low income students, had a role in NATO enlargement, etc. Sounds to me like he's done at least some good. (Compared to Stubby McBonespurs, who's history of public service involves a charitable foundation that he had to shut down because of fraud, a university that had to be shut down because of fraud, and a series of business practices and bankruptcies that have ended up harming hundreds of other people.)

As for his time as VP.... again, he didn't exactly have the same authority as Obama, but if you want to look at the record of the administration, they managed to guide the nation through a recession that started before they came to power (i.e. wasn't their fault) and provided health care to millions of Americans.

Sounds to me like that's a pretty good record for a political candidate.
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2020, 09:39:57 pm »
Re: Calling Biden "sleepy joe"...
But you call him names all the time.  Yet you get a case of the vapours over me saying sleepy joe?  Come on man.  Youíre ridiculous.
There are a couple of issues here...

First of all, the 'sleepy joe' nick name originated from Trump. There is a difference between an average person or internet poster using a name and the president. And you should not dignify Trump's actions by using his rhetoric.

Secondly, it is just, well, wrong. I like to call Trump "Stubby McBonespurs", because there is at least some truth associated with that name... descriptions of Trump's endowment, and his Vietnam military history. But "sleepy joe"? Biden does lead an active life (regular exercise, such as riding a bike, regular media appearances), and despite claims from various members of the MAGAchuds, doesn't seem to exhibit any significant mental decline, etc.. (While they may play up various mistakes/gaffs, overall he makes far less than Trump does.) "sleepy joe" just doesn't really fit with the way he actually is.

If you're going to use a nick name against Biden, try to come up with something on your own, that at least provides some real description that fits Biden (and that doesn't apply just as much to Trump). Maybe make fun of the dumb catch phrases he used in his campaign.... "Build back better" and "no malarcky".
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2020, 02:45:01 am »
The problem with the Republicans' attacks on Joe is that any negative they throw at Biden, the same can be said of Trump but 10x worse. And I have a hunch that there's precious few undecideds left, and that most voters have already decided, anyway.  Pushing a narrative like "Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful" isn't going to convince people to vote for the "Man Woman Person Camera TV" guy at this point.

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« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2020, 12:54:10 pm »
The problem with the Republicans' attacks on Joe is that any negative they throw at Biden, the same can be said of Trump but 10x worse. And I have a hunch that there's precious few undecideds left, and that most voters have already decided, anyway.  Pushing a narrative like "Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful" isn't going to convince people to vote for the "Man Woman Person Camera TV" guy at this point.

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Right on kimmy! There's no use Trump's side trying to demean Biden now after the first debate. Biden destroyed Trump and made it pretty clear that we saw the best that Trump had to offer. He's quite incapable of better.

And that begs the question on whether or not Trump really does want a second debate. Or more to the point, do his handlers want him to be clobbered again?

So when does the big argument start in which Biden will be asking for a televised debate from safe locations? And then no agreement reached and Biden blamed for refusing to debate?

Sometimes the bullsh-t just becomes too obvious.
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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2020, 02:02:01 pm »
The problem with the Republicans' attacks on Joe is that any negative they throw at Biden, the same can be said of Trump but 10x worse. And I have a hunch that there's precious few undecideds left, and that most voters have already decided, anyway.  Pushing a narrative like "Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful" isn't going to convince people to vote for the "Man Woman Person Camera TV" guy at this point.
This especially seems to be the case with senior voters.

Seniors used to be a very important demographic for the republicans... they tended to lean conservative, AND they were very reliable voters (i.e. more likely to vote than younger people.) But Biden seems to be taking a lot of those votes away from Trump. And when Trump attacks Biden with allegations of being senile, it seems a lot of seniors are taking it personally.

From: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/trump-senior-vote/index.html
In the final average of registered-voter polls, Trump led Clinton by 5 points among seniors. His advantage was 6 points among likely voters. These polls are suggesting something along the lines of 25- to 30-point shifts in Biden's direction.

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« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2020, 02:34:05 am »
Right now the polls seem to indicate Biden is approaching landslide territory.  Of course, at the same time 4 years ago we thought the same thing. And who knows what might happen in the next 4 weeks.  But as it stands, states that are typically swing states are looking very blue, and many states that are usually red are looking like swing states.

I was also looking at senate races today.  Right now the senate is 53-47 for the Republicans, so the Democrats need to flip minimum 3 seats.  The Republicans are almost certain to win back the Democrats' Alabama senate seat, and the Democrats appear almost certain to take the Republicans' Arizona senate seat, so that's a draw. 

But there are a number of other senate seats that are seen as possible gains for the Democrats, while few prospects for Republicans gaining seats. Polling shows the Democrats have strong chances in Maine, Colorado, and North Carolina. They are also very close in Montana, South Carolina, and Iowa. The Republicans have a competitive race in Michigan, but (aside from Alabama) that appears to be their only chance of gaining a seat.

Right now 538 has the Democrats as a slight favorite to regain control of the senate.

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« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2020, 08:16:20 am »
Right now the polls seem to indicate Biden is approaching landslide territory.  Of course, at the same time 4 years ago we thought the same thing. And who knows what might happen in the next 4 weeks.  But as it stands, states that are typically swing states are looking very blue, and many states that are usually red are looking like swing states.

1) Biden is ahead of where Hillary was
2) There were high undecideds in swing states that were close, not the case now
3) It was still a 30% chance for Trump at that time, not 100%.  He's at 15% today so - yes - he could still win.

 

 

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2020, 09:20:53 am »
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Right now the polls seem to indicate Biden is approaching landslide territory.  Of course, at the same time 4 years ago we thought the same thing. And who knows what might happen in the next 4 weeks.  But as it stands, states that are typically swing states are looking very blue, and many states that are usually red are looking like swing states.
1) Biden is ahead of where Hillary was
2) There were high undecideds in swing states that were close, not the case now
Perhaps more importantly, Biden's lead seems to be extremely stable... with an average polling lead of between 4% and ~10%. Regardless of what happens, that doesn't seem to change... Trump does poorly on the debates, little change. Trump catches Covid, little change.

Compare that to 2016, where Hillary sometimes had a very large lead on Trump, but there was a lot more flux over the campaign, with her lead occasionally dropping to the point where her and Trump were in a virtual tie.
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3) It was still a 30% chance for Trump at that time, not 100%.  He's at 15% today so - yes - he could still win.
That seems to be one of the problems... people think "Trump was supposed to lose in 2016 but won... polling is flawed!". But a 30% (heck even a 15% chance) does not mean no chance. Its no different than tossing a dice, and being surprised that it happens to come up with a 6...

Granted, there are some things that are... problematic. Republican efforts to suppress the vote for example. And the electoral college gives an advantage to Trump.

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« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2020, 09:27:18 am »
1) Biden is ahead of where Hillary was
2) There were high undecideds in swing states that were close, not the case now

Perhaps more importantly, Biden's lead seems to be extremely stable... with an average polling lead of between 4% and ~10%. Regardless of what happens, that doesn't seem to change... Trump does poorly on the debates, little change. Trump catches Covid, little change.

Compare that to 2016, where Hillary sometimes had a very large lead on Trump, but there was a lot more flux over the campaign, with her lead occasionally dropping to the point where her and Trump were in a virtual tie.That seems to be one of the problems... people think "Trump was supposed to lose in 2016 but won... polling is flawed!". But a 30% (heck even a 15% chance) does not mean no chance. Its no different than tossing a dice, and being surprised that it happens to come up with a 6...

Granted, there are some things that are... problematic. Republican efforts to suppress the vote for example. And the electoral college gives an advantage to Trump.

Yes, these are all good points.  Biden's lead is wide, maybe not in landslide territory but - yes - it has ticked up very steadily and slowly.

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2020, 09:37:42 am »
Yes, these are all good points.  Biden's lead is wide, maybe not in landslide territory but - yes - it has ticked up very steadily and slowly.
I personally don't think Biden will win in a landslide (probably a slim to comfortable win instead)... but I think it was 538 that said that the chance of Biden winning in a landslide is the same as the chance that Trump would win (in a narrow victory).

The Democrats do need a solid win though.... just to prevent republicans from trying any shenanigans. e.g. "The vote is close.... send it to the supreme court" or "You can't trust the vote, so let the state govs. pick the electors".

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2020, 11:01:21 am »
I personally don't think Biden will win in a landslide (probably a slim to comfortable win instead)... but I think it was 538 that said that the chance of Biden winning in a landslide is the same as the chance that Trump would win (in a narrow victory).

The Democrats do need a solid win though.... just to prevent republicans from trying any shenanigans. e.g. "The vote is close.... send it to the supreme court" or "You can't trust the vote, so let the state govs. pick the electors".

The numbers have been relatively static but they're starting to change. That indicates cracks in Trump's **** base. And a big indication of things starting to move is that some of the GOP senators are distancing from Trump already.

Keeping in mind that a psychopath can never accept defeat, I would suggest something happening to make sure Trump's defeat isn't possible.

The most plausible possibility is Trump pulling out because of illness or feigned illness, making charges of cheating against him, and it resulting in violence to the point at which polls won't be opened because of the police not being able to ensure voter safety. Especially black voter's safety.

Exaggerating? Not for those who understand the psychopath's greatest fear that he considers impossible for himself.

Are there any other explanations on how Trump won't be defeated? Any that are just to horrible to contemplate?
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« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2020, 04:00:32 pm »

Biden tells Ohio today thatís heís running for the senate.  Tells them to register to vote at a non existent website!
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« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2020, 04:07:32 pm »
Biden tells Ohio today thatís heís running for the senate.  Tells them to register to vote at a non existent website!
 :D :D :D

Uh huh. Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful, better vote for the guy with full on dementia.

The problem with the Republicans' attacks on Joe is that any negative they throw at Biden, the same can be said of Trump but 10x worse. And I have a hunch that there's precious few undecideds left, and that most voters have already decided, anyway.  Pushing a narrative like "Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful" isn't going to convince people to vote for the "Man Woman Person Camera TV" guy at this point.

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« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2020, 04:23:30 pm »
Uh huh. Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful, better vote for the guy with full on dementia.

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Biden has full dementia.  Trump is just an a-hole.
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« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2020, 05:28:53 pm »
Uh huh. Sleepy Joe is getting forgetful, better vote for the guy with full on dementia.

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I would say that an October surprise can easily swing 4 or 5%. Look what happened to Trump in the week of his debate with Biden.
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