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« Reply #615 on: January 09, 2021, 05:22:31 pm »

Not to that extreme.

Can be pretty extreme,  especially when it comes to PEI. It has 39,000 per MP and Senator. The average for the four biggest provinces is 110,000 per MP. The four Atlantic provinces have six more senators than the four western provinces.
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« Reply #616 on: January 09, 2021, 05:42:10 pm »
Enfranchising Puerto Rico is not rigging anything.
Try telling that to Republicans.

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« Reply #617 on: January 09, 2021, 05:42:48 pm »
Can be pretty extreme,  especially when it comes to PEI. It has 39,000 per MP and Senator. The average for the four biggest provinces is 110,000 per MP. The four Atlantic provinces have six more senators than the four western provinces.

Wyoming has 290,000 people per senator.

California has 20 Million people per senator.

Thatís a 69 fold difference.

Your  Canadian example is 3 fold.

Címon Wilber...   itís not even close to the same. 

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #618 on: January 09, 2021, 05:43:28 pm »
Taxation without representation and that...
Wouldn't statehood facilitate both?

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« Reply #619 on: January 10, 2021, 01:17:28 pm »
Taxation without representation and that...

DC license plates say "end taxation without representation".
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« Reply #620 on: January 10, 2021, 02:37:29 pm »
Wouldn't statehood facilitate both?

Yes it would

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Re: The Joe Biden Thread
« Reply #621 on: January 19, 2021, 03:37:30 am »
Wyoming has 290,000 people per senator.

California has 20 Million people per senator.

Thatís a 69 fold difference.

Your  Canadian example is 3 fold.

Címon Wilber...   itís not even close to the same.

Isn't Canada supposed to be "one person one vote" in the House of Commons?
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« Reply #622 on: January 19, 2021, 11:20:30 am »
Isn't Canada supposed to be "one person one vote" in the House of Commons?

It's supposed to be, but that isn't practically possible. You need to have at least one seat per region, meaning that the territories are overrepresented no matter what. There are also a few clauses that amend the formula, and some of them are constitutional documents. That's why PEI will never have less than 4 MPs as long as they have 4 senators.

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« Reply #623 on: January 19, 2021, 12:28:23 pm »
Wyoming has 290,000 people per senator.

California has 20 Million people per senator.

Thatís a 69 fold difference.

Your  Canadian example is 3 fold.

Címon Wilber...   itís not even close to the same.

It's the same principal. It's a necessity in large countries with disparate populations otherwise some regions will effectively have no representation. Some votes will always be worth more than others.
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« Reply #624 on: January 19, 2021, 12:32:16 pm »
It's the same principal. It's a necessity in large countries with disparate populations otherwise some regions will effectively have no representation. Some votes will always be worth more than others.

Itís not...   trying to get to representation by population as closely as possible (Canada) is not the same principle as equal representation regardless of population (USA).

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« Reply #625 on: January 19, 2021, 12:41:47 pm »
Itís not...   trying to get to representation by population as closely as possible (Canada) is not the same principle as equal representation regardless of population (USA).

The Senate not done by population, it is done by region. The country is divided into four regions, the four western provinces, Quebec, Ontario and the Atlantic provinces. Each region gets the same number of  senators so as the west has been growing faster than Quebec or the Atlantic provinces, the disparity gets greater.
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« Reply #626 on: January 19, 2021, 12:46:17 pm »
The Senate not done by population, it is done by region. The country is divided into four regions, the four western provinces, Quebec, Ontario and the Atlantic provinces. Each region gets the same number of  senators so as the west has been growing faster than Quebec or the Atlantic provinces, the disparity gets greater.

Not talking about Canadaís senate.  Itís a relic.   It barely does any governing.  Itís not even elected. 


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« Reply #627 on: January 19, 2021, 01:04:26 pm »
Not talking about Canadaís senate.  Itís a relic.   It barely does any governing.  Itís not even elected.

Well the US House is rep by pop so what are you referring too?
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« Reply #628 on: January 19, 2021, 01:33:10 pm »
Well the US House is rep by pop so what are you referring too?

I guess I can quote myself from a post you already replied to....   
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« Reply #629 on: January 19, 2021, 01:46:26 pm »
I guess I can quote myself from a post you already replied to....

I guess we have already discussed that. Canada doesn't equal representation by population either. If the US made Senate representation rep by pop, there would be no need for a senate because that has already been done in the house.
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