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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #585 on: January 08, 2021, 07:44:56 pm »
Complete nonsense.  Slavery wasn’t even part of the constitution, it was actually in violation of it.  You’re a clown. 🤡

I'm quoting this again...  because now Shady is changing what he said he said.  LOL

So it WAS part of the constitution, right Shady?
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« Reply #586 on: January 08, 2021, 07:45:59 pm »
Slave states wanted slaves to count for funding, not to be citizens.   ::)
No, your wrong again.  They wanted them to count as citizens.  This would add to their state populations which would give them more political power.  As the number of seats in the federal government is based on population.

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« Reply #587 on: January 08, 2021, 07:49:54 pm »
No, your wrong again.  They wanted them to count as citizens.  This would add to their state populations which would give them more political power.  As the number of seats in the federal government is based on population.


Slaves would count as three-fifths of a person.  They had no rights as citizens. 


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The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Delegates disputed whether and how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population, as this number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives and how much it would pay in taxes. The compromise counted three out of every five slaves as people, giving the Southern states a third more seats in Congress and a third more electoral votes than if slaves had been ignored, but fewer than if slaves and free people had been counted equally.

So we can say that slavery is in the Constitution, right?  Because this is what you said:

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Slavery wasn’t even part of the constitution, it was actually in violation of it.

You said slavery was "in violation of the Constitution". 

How so...?  Please explain how it was against the original Constitution.

(this is where you should run away from this thread for a while....)
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« Reply #588 on: January 08, 2021, 07:53:26 pm »

Slaves would count as three-fifths of a person.  They had no rights as citizens. 


So we can say that slavery is in the Constitution, right?  Because this is what you said:

You said slavery was "in violation of the Constitution". 

How so...?  Please explain how it was against the original Constitution.

(this is where you should run away from this thread for a while....)
Yes, amd slave state’s wanted them to count as a full person.  You’re even more ignorant than I thought.  Read a book once in a while. JFC.

The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Delegates disputed whether and how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population, as this number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #589 on: January 08, 2021, 08:02:11 pm »
Yes, amd slave state’s wanted them to count as a full person.  You’re even more ignorant than I thought.  Read a book once in a while. JFC.

The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Delegates disputed whether and how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population, as this number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

You just quoted the exact same thing I did, and then said I was ignorant about it.  LOL.  Idiot. 



How was slavery against the original version of the constitution? 


You claimed it.  Answer.
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« Reply #590 on: January 08, 2021, 08:11:41 pm »
You just quoted the exact same thing I did, and then said I was ignorant about it.  LOL.  Idiot. 



How was slavery against the original version of the constitution? 


You claimed it.  Answer.
No I didn’t, stop pretending to be obtuse.  Or maybe you’re not pretending.  Trolls gonna troll though.

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« Reply #591 on: January 08, 2021, 08:14:49 pm »
No I didn’t, stop pretending to be obtuse.  Or maybe you’re not pretending.  Trolls gonna troll though.


Shady quoted:
The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Delegates disputed whether and how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population, as this number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise



I quoted:

Slavery was implicitly recognized in the original Constitution in provisions such as Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, commonly known as the Three-Fifths Compromise, which provided that three-fifths of each state's enslaved population (“other persons”) was to be added to its free population for the purposes of apportioning seats in the United States House of Representatives and direct taxes among the states.
. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution




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« Reply #592 on: January 08, 2021, 08:15:44 pm »
I'm quoting this again...  because now Shady is changing what he said he said.  LOL

So it WAS part of the constitution, right Shady?

Shady...  you forgot to answer the question above in your latest post.  I put it in big quotes for you. Even.  You must have missed it.
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« Reply #593 on: January 08, 2021, 08:34:13 pm »
We're talking about a hypothetical mad man. They can't turf everyone.

Yes they can if the caucus doesn't show unity and turf the PM first. I would hope that would happen but it didn't with the US Senate when Trump had no direct power over senators.
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« Reply #594 on: January 08, 2021, 08:38:15 pm »
It does nothing but create gridlock,
It's supposed to create gridlock.  Gridlock means laws typically can't get passed without broad agreement or compromise between the House, Senate, and the POTUS.  That means it's usually pretty hard to pass bad federal laws or ones a large # of voters or states dislike, and by chance they do the House of Reps and a bunch of senators are up for reelection every 2 years.

In Canada 40% of the electorate can vote a majority party into power that has the ability to decide all of the bills while the other parties can just sit and ask questions.  And then there's a stark hierarchy within that majority party itself on who decides what.

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and disenfranchise the majority.
At the cost of possibly disenfranchising the states?  The USA is a union of states, it's a federation.  It's not simply 300 million and majority rules.
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« Reply #595 on: January 08, 2021, 08:45:25 pm »
Provide a cite where the senate was “supposed to create gridlock”.
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« Reply #596 on: January 08, 2021, 09:00:55 pm »
Provide a cite where the senate was “supposed to create gridlock”.

It is supposed to provide balance between the tyranny of a majority and the country as a whole.
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« Reply #597 on: January 08, 2021, 09:03:07 pm »
It is supposed to provide balance between the tyranny of a majority and the country as a whole.

Not what i asked, or what was claimed.
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« Reply #598 on: January 08, 2021, 09:12:47 pm »
It is supposed to provide balance between the tyranny of a majority and the country as a whole.

That's what a bill of rights is for. Any system of government that prevents governing is garbage.
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« Reply #599 on: January 08, 2021, 09:14:10 pm »
In Canada 40% of the electorate can vote a majority party into power that has the ability to decide all of the bills while the other parties can just sit and ask questions.

That's because we have a multi party democracy.

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At the cost of possibly disenfranchising the states? 

States are artificial constructs, unlike people.
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