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« Reply #6930 on: January 13, 2021, 09:07:03 am »
Just listening in a little to the impeachment debate in the House and even the republicans aren't saying much good about Donny. It seems the biggest argument against voting to impeach is because it could incite another round of violence from trump supporters. America really does seem to have gone down hill, especially during the last 4 years. The best outcome I see from all this is that they disallow trump from ever running again.
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« Reply #6931 on: January 13, 2021, 10:02:12 am »
Just listening in a little to the impeachment debate in the House and even the republicans aren't saying much good about Donny. It seems the biggest argument against voting to impeach is because it could incite another round of violence from trump supporters. America really does seem to have gone down hill, especially during the last 4 years. The best outcome I see from all this is that they disallow trump from ever running again.

Exactly right.  "We can't have law and order, people, as the populace is too unstable to punish a popular rebel leader"

 
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« Reply #6932 on: January 13, 2021, 10:10:53 am »
Just listening in a little to the impeachment debate in the House and even the republicans aren't saying much good about Donny. It seems the biggest argument against voting to impeach is because it could incite another round of violence from trump supporters.
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« Reply #6933 on: January 13, 2021, 10:17:39 am »
After granting pardons to such fine upstanding citizens like Flynn (who plead guilty) and Manafort (who was a convicted tax cheat), it looks like Pardon-Palooza might finally be over....

From: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-reportedly-angry-aides-warning-070935116.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJUiEtMYVF5pJSk7e7DTRHA7wDnY8dZ8AJbgOrsqWxJFawlbnN7Eag0w-pkXRHrXYDUTS9bF9ysX-LvXc-O20fwzDA2OzprrBun5IshKTbisJ2KXKKIx7KiV8w0kmyhwPBHdN9Vo3hJL2EUFhhkqpc5K-Hi_RTLUsDK8kmM3Wpy9
If you were hoping for a last-minute pardon from President Trump, ABC News' Jonathan Karl has some bad news for you. After last week's assault on the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters...Trump is not in the pardoning mood, Karl told anchor David Muir... "The president has been warned, David, by some of his lawyers that if he goes ahead and pardons himself, he could be more vulnerable to civil lawsuits, including from some of those injured in the Capitol riot, because a self-pardon would be seen as an admission that he did something wrong..." Karl said. "The president is angry...So the attitude seems to be: 'If I can't get a pardon, then nobody else should get one, either.'"

So this is one of the times when Trump's little pouty temper tantrums has actually worked FOR the cause of justice.
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« Reply #6934 on: January 13, 2021, 10:47:00 am »
Just listening in a little to the impeachment debate in the House and even the republicans aren't saying much good about Donny. It seems the biggest argument against voting to impeach is because it could incite another round of violence from trump supporters. America really does seem to have gone down hill, especially during the last 4 years. The best outcome I see from all this is that they disallow trump from ever running again.
Another argument amongst Democrats against impeachment is that the spotlight will follow Trump just as Biden is entering stage right.  I get it but...I always imagined the GOP old guard would have had Trump assassinated long since by now.  It's much better that it's working out the other way though.

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« Reply #6935 on: January 13, 2021, 05:37:43 pm »
Too bad COVID didn't kill him.

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« Reply #6936 on: January 13, 2021, 05:42:17 pm »
Too bad COVID didn't kill him.

Now having the dubious distinction of being the only POTUS in history to be impeached may just succeed were Covid failed. I bet his BP is through the roof today.

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« Reply #6937 on: January 13, 2021, 07:16:09 pm »
Bush gave countries the feeling that "I don't like what America is doing but we can eventually get back to normal". Trump gave countries the feeling that "We can never trust America again".

I think it's the opposite.  Bush admin were establishment Republicans that spilled over from Bush Sr/Reagan/Ford-Nixon years  Trump wasn't a party guy so may be seen as more of an aberration.

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Yup, its a given... Bush shouldn't have gone into Iraq. But whatever the death toll was, it will probably be exceeded by the number of deaths Trump could have prevented had he handled covid better.
Iraq War led to 500k+ deaths. Trump is responsible for some of US's covid deaths but not all or even most.

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But then, Bush never locked hundreds of children in cages after separating them from their families.
I'm sure he did it with Muslims.

But anyways, i've already argued Trump is a worse POTUS than Dubya.  Both are moron a-holes.
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« Reply #6938 on: January 13, 2021, 07:35:30 pm »
Anyone who thinks the Republican Party is turning on Trump isn’t paying attention....    Only 10/207 Republicans voted to impeach.

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« Reply #6939 on: January 13, 2021, 08:23:36 pm »
Anyone who thinks the Republican Party is turning on Trump isn’t paying attention....    Only 10/207 Republicans voted to impeach.

The big money Republicans work differently.  They get national donations... big contractors... local isn't as important.

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« Reply #6940 on: January 13, 2021, 09:17:29 pm »
Anyone who thinks the Republican Party is turning on Trump isn’t paying attention....    Only 10/207 Republicans voted to impeach.
They must feel they're representing their constituents.  Maybe a commensurate number of Americans are simply a bunch of worthless assholes and its all the Republicans really have to work with.
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« Reply #6941 on: January 13, 2021, 11:28:44 pm »
They must feel they're representing their constituents.  Maybe a commensurate number of Americans are simply a bunch of worthless assholes and its all the Republicans really have to work with.

Maybe.  All the GOP reps who wanted an impeachment could have just made sure there were enough votes for it then voted "no" to save face with their constituents or whoever they're trying to impress.  Or maybe they don't want to get Trump PO'd in case the impeachment fails, which it could, and then they're in his dog house if Trump runs in 2024 and by some miracle wins.

I actually think there will be problems proving he incited violence, because he didn't directly call for violence.  Giuliani did though.  But for Trump they could try to prove "aiding or providing comfort to" insurrectionists.  I think the most egregious thing Trump did was pressure Pence to sabotage the vote confirmation, so maybe they could accuse him of failing to uphold his oath to defend the constitution.
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« Reply #6942 on: January 14, 2021, 10:04:06 am »
Maybe.  All the GOP reps who wanted an impeachment could have just made sure there were enough votes for it
This was the house impeachment vote. There only needed to be a simple majority, which would have been carried with just Democrats.

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then voted "no" to save face with their constituents or whoever they're trying to impress.
If you are a republican trying to impress a group of MAGAchuds who are trying to violently overthrow an election, then maybe they should re-think their life choices.

Yes, a politician should represent the views of his constituents. But not every voter in their district would have supported terrorist activity. And a politician should not govern only by opinion polls (otherwise why have representatives? just use opinion polls) but instead should be willing to take actions that benefit their constituents, even those actions are not popular immediately.
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Or maybe they don't want to get Trump PO'd in case the impeachment fails, which it could, and then they're in his dog house if Trump runs in 2024 and by some miracle wins.
If that was why republican voted against Trump's impeachment, then their vote was based only on greed and self-service.
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I actually think there will be problems proving he incited violence, because he didn't directly call for violence.  Giuliani did though.  But for Trump they could try to prove "aiding or providing comfort to" insurrectionists.  I think the most egregious thing Trump did was pressure Pence to sabotage the vote confirmation, so maybe they could accuse him of failing to uphold his oath to defend the constitution.
There was an episode of the youtube channel LegalEagle that talked about that issue. (The host of the channel is a practicing lawyer who talks about various current events, historical legal cases, or the accuracy of courtroom scenes in TV.)

His analysis: In a legal sense, Trump would probably not be found guilty for inciting a riot. (Courts generally err on the side of caution when dealing with free speech issues, and Trump's statements were vague enough.)

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwqAInN9HWI&t=4s

However, Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one, and something can be considered impeachable even if it is not a violation of the law. After all, political leaders do need to be held to a different standard than average citizens.

For the past 2 months Trump repeated falsehoods about a 'stolen election'. He spoke at a rally in which there was the possibility of violence (there were arrests BEFORE the rally of people with illegal weapons, yet Trump persisted). Trump may have used the word 'peaceful' during the rally, but he also used the word 'fight' multiple times. (Although 'fight' could be taken metaphorically, its still a rather loaded word.) And during and immediately after the riot, Trump was slow to act, and his first response was to express 'love' for the terrorists.
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« Reply #6943 on: January 14, 2021, 10:22:07 am »
All I can say is "Ha Ha!"

From: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/america-votes/trump-has-told-staff-not-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-over-irritation-at-being-impeached-again-report-1.5266432
U.S. President Donald Trump, irritated at being impeached for a second time, has told people to stop paying Rudy Giuliani's legal fees,

Oh no! How is Giulliani going to afford his high quality hair dye?

And double HA HA!

From: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/07/trump-staffers-next-job-456315
Trump administration officials watched in horror, fearful not only of the rioting their boss had inspired but of the residual damage that would fall on their careers....And what future employment opportunities would there even be, others wondered. “This,” one administration official said of Wednesday’s events, “will hurt us in trying to get jobs.”

From: https://news.yahoo.com/forbes-editor-warns-against-hiring-002211599.html
Forbes' editor issued a warning to any companies thinking about hiring former communications officials from President Donald Trump's administration...."Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie"

Ah, I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.

Seriously... it was obvious that Trump was a con artist long before he was elected president. It was also obvious that he was a bigot, and totally unsuited to the job. That things are ending as badly as they are should have been expected. But still, these staffers still decided to work for him, and to continue working for him, for years, enabling his worst excesses. I have no sympathy for them if people look at their employment record, see "Trump staffer", and decide not to hire them.


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« Reply #6944 on: January 14, 2021, 11:04:50 am »
All I can say is "Ha Ha!"

From: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/america-votes/trump-has-told-staff-not-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-over-irritation-at-being-impeached-again-report-1.5266432
U.S. President Donald Trump, irritated at being impeached for a second time, has told people to stop paying Rudy Giuliani's legal fees,

Oh no! How is Giulliani going to afford his high quality hair dye?

And double HA HA!

From: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/07/trump-staffers-next-job-456315
Trump administration officials watched in horror, fearful not only of the rioting their boss had inspired but of the residual damage that would fall on their careers....And what future employment opportunities would there even be, others wondered. “This,” one administration official said of Wednesday’s events, “will hurt us in trying to get jobs.”

From: https://news.yahoo.com/forbes-editor-warns-against-hiring-002211599.html
Forbes' editor issued a warning to any companies thinking about hiring former communications officials from President Donald Trump's administration...."Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie"

Ah, I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.

Seriously... it was obvious that Trump was a con artist long before he was elected president. It was also obvious that he was a bigot, and totally unsuited to the job. That things are ending as badly as they are should have been expected. But still, these staffers still decided to work for him, and to continue working for him, for years, enabling his worst excesses. I have no sympathy for them if people look at their employment record, see "Trump staffer", and decide not to hire them.

Rudy's not getting a Pardon either, I reckon.
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