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Offline Omni

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« Reply #795 on: September 28, 2017, 12:49:22 am »
Wrong!  He could've done a thousand things that would've been better and less destructive.  As it is, he turned off many people who otherwise would support his cause.  Now, it's the NFL's problem.

Exactly how is "taking a knee" destructive? Being statistically 5 times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're Black is destructive. And you may have noticed a number of NFL owners have linked arms with the players who are peacefully making a statement. 

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« Reply #796 on: September 28, 2017, 01:20:23 am »
Exactly how is "taking a knee" destructive? Being statistically 5 times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're Black is destructive. And you may have noticed a number of NFL owners have linked arms with the players who are peacefully making a statement.

You people believe in nothing and expect others to feel the same way, sorry!  As i said earlier , the manner in which people protest matters as much as the protest itself.  Kaepernick has stated his protest and yet you pull the same crap as you do with muslims "well, it's not about Islam, it's about...", "it's not about the flag, it's about...",  even though the person in question has stated as much.  Use you brain for once man!  There is not a single owner who agrees with this, and lack of employment for Kaepernick is solid proof of that, the owners are in a real bind just as Trump says.  You don't think half-full stadiums and a 11% decrease in TV viewership is destructive, I bet the NFL disagrees. 

We'll see where it goes this weekend, but i'd wager anything that the numbers continue their decline...or the owners suggest to the players that enough is enough.  There is no other way out.
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« Reply #797 on: September 28, 2017, 01:31:40 am »
You people believe in nothing and expect others to feel the same way, sorry!  As i said earlier , the manner in which people protest matters as much as the protest itself.  Kaepernick has stated his protest and yet idiots like you pull the same crap as you do with muslims "well, it's not about Islam, it's about...", "it's not about the flag, it's about...",  even though the person in question has stated as much.  Use you brain for once man!  There is not a single owner who agrees with this, and lack of employment for Kaepernick is solid proof of that, the owners are in a real bind just as Trump says.  You don't think half-full stadiums and a 11% decrease in TV viewership is destructive, I bet the NFL disagrees. 

We'll see where it goes this weekend, but i'd wager anything that the numbers continue their decline...or the owners suggest to the players that enough is enough.  There is no other way out.

We people believe in freedom of speech. It's actually one of the things that soldiers fought for.

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« Reply #798 on: September 28, 2017, 01:49:42 am »
We people believe in freedom of speech. It's actually one of the things that soldiers fought for.

Sure, he has a right to do and say what he is doing, it doesn't make it the right thing to do and say though.  No one, including Trump has said he shouldn't demonstrate - that's not the question and that's not the issue.

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« Reply #799 on: September 28, 2017, 01:53:34 am »
Sure, he has a right to do and say what he is doing, it doesn't make it the right thing to do and say though.  No one, including Trump has said he shouldn't demonstrate - that's not the question and that's not the issue.

Trump said they should "fire the sons of ****. Give your head a shake.

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« Reply #800 on: September 28, 2017, 02:05:32 am »
Trump said they should "fire the sons of ****. Give your head a shake.

For demonstrating?  No!  For the way the demonstrated against the flag.  That's the difference.  Just because you have a right to do something, doesn't make it consequence free.  I can call my boss a motherf****r, I can spit on a picture of his family - I have that right.  What do you think will happen?  I believe there is a problem with police brutaliy - but I cant support this protest.  None of you lefties have any concept of cause and effect - notta one! 
Jerry Jones joined his team in a demonstration, what did Trump say about that?  He said JJ get's it, that he's a winner.  Now, stop and think a minute....Why?  Whats the difference?  I can't stand that you miss so much!  If you had an ounce of self awareness, you'd be embarrassed.

You can bet you sweet bibbies that the NFL is trying to quietly get rid of this asap. 


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« Reply #801 on: September 28, 2017, 02:13:24 am »
For demonstrating?  No!  For the way the demonstrated against the flag.  That's the difference.  Just because you have a right to do something, doesn't make it consequence free.  I can call my boss a motherf****r, I can spit on a picture of his family - I have that right.  What do you think will happen?  I believe there is a problem with police brutaliy - but I cant support this protest.  None of you lefties have any concept of cause and effect - notta one! 
Jerry Jones joined his team in a demonstration, what did Trump say about that?  He said JJ get's it, that he's a winner.  Now, stop and think a minute....Why?  Whats the difference?  I can't stand that you miss so much!  If you had an ounce of self awareness, you'd be embarrassed.

You can bet you sweet bibbies that the NFL is trying to quietly get rid of this asap.

You're right li'l buddy, you shouldn't call your boss a mofo. What the issue is about here is racial discrimination. Bit of a difference you apparently don't get.

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« Reply #802 on: September 28, 2017, 04:38:46 am »
He's a wack job, just to begin with. And his 'stand' is specifically about police killing Black criminals, which most of us right wingers aren't all that sympathetic to.
Cops don't decide who criminals are. The courts do. It's sickening that you continue to justify the murder of unarmed people at the hands of cops. You're not at all sympathetic because they're black and your posting history clearly illustrates you as a racist.

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« Reply #803 on: September 28, 2017, 04:40:48 am »
The notion that the cops should be able to act as an extrajudicial execution squad is pretty opposite to the kind of conservatism I thought you stood for.

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That five year old kid in Chicago had it coming. He was clearly a criminal.

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« Reply #804 on: September 28, 2017, 04:42:17 am »
Wrong!  He could've done a thousand things that would've been better and less destructive.  As it is, he turned off many people who otherwise would support his cause.  Now, it's the NFL's problem.
If they not those uppity black people would protest in a less visible way. MLK should have marched across a bridge in his backyard and Rosa Parks should have sat down in her living room.

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« Reply #805 on: September 28, 2017, 08:07:27 am »
Lets refrain from calling eachother idiots.

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« Reply #806 on: September 28, 2017, 09:10:45 am »
At the end of the anthem in Kansas City, the fans sing "land of the free and home of the Chiefs". But many of those same fans say taking a knee is disrespectful to the anthem. Right.
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« Reply #807 on: September 28, 2017, 09:13:02 am »
Wrong! 

What's wrong about what I said?

He could've done a thousand things that would've been better and less destructive. 

Ok, offer a few examples.

As it is, he turned off many people who otherwise would support his cause. 

If we were talking about blocking intersections, or taking over libraries so that people can't study, or halting somebody else's parade, or taking over the stage at the Jazz Festival, then I'd agree with you 100%. I think that stuff alienates people who would be inclined to listened.

But kneeling during the anthem?  I think that people who are mad about that are mad about his message.

Now, it's the NFL's problem.

The NFL helped create this problem in the first place by agreeing to promote phony patriotism in exchange for cash from the Department of Defense.  If you're going to politicize your product, you have only yourself to blame when others don't agree with the politics your product has aligned with.

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« Reply #808 on: September 28, 2017, 09:18:06 am »
....by doing what?

By getting people to pay attention to the issue they are addressing. By the number of people who have their knickers in a knot over this, it's working quite well.
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« Reply #809 on: September 28, 2017, 09:24:04 am »
You doubt, based on what? Viewership was down last year and is down more this year. You doubt that offending a substantial portion of your customers every week will cost you anything? Seriously? You taken a look at what NFL stadiums look like in LA and San Francisco lately?

You're falling into the trap of thinking that because Trump is opposed to something every decent individual has to support it. That's illogical. If Trump comes out and demands everyone brush their teeth before bedtime are you going to indignantly throw your toothbrush away?
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NASCAR which Trump likes to point to for its patriotism was down 17% last year. There is more going on here. America is addicted to football and basketball. Football and basketball are addicted to black players. So it's a matter of entertain me but keep your black mouth shut.
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