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Offline Omni

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« Reply #750 on: September 25, 2017, 10:47:59 am »
I made MY opinion known on this issue long before Trump did. Based on intelligence and logical facts presented. The use of intelligence and facts differentiates me from certain other posters.

Anyone is free to look it up on that other site. And I would say my criticism of Trump has been pretty consistent, knowledgeable and intelligent - as opposed to the bleating whines of certain other posters.

Yeah, you have changed direction on your Trump posts, and yeah, it certainly seems to be race based more so than knowledge or intelligence I'm afraid.

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« Reply #751 on: September 25, 2017, 10:57:17 am »
Yeah, you have changed direction on your Trump posts, and yeah, it certainly seems to be race based more so than knowledge or intelligence I'm afraid.

No, it's intelligence. I'm not going to curse someone for having a dog because Hitler liked dogs. I'm not going to think an idea is stupid just because Donald Trump does. If Trudeau comes up with a good idea I'll applaud it. An idea is good or bad on its surface without regard to who advocates it.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #752 on: September 25, 2017, 01:51:03 pm »
They live in a life where they never have to apologize to anyone, at least, not off the field. I can't remember the paper I read this in but this kind of sums it up.   http://globalsportsdevelopment.org/m/2015/03/03/the-culture-of-preferential-treatment-among-athletes/

Ok, what about my example ?

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« Reply #753 on: September 25, 2017, 01:57:37 pm »
Trump keeps prattling on about his support for "the flag" but he forgets that he used his phony "bone spurs" to become draft dodger so as to avoid going to defend it.

That's capitol H Hypocritical.

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« Reply #754 on: September 25, 2017, 02:24:43 pm »
Even if you agree, as many do, that some police shootings were unjustified, if the victim was a criminal - self identified by running from police - they're not going to have a lot of sympathy in most cases. The worse cases of unjustified shooting I've seen have been against Whites. All the ones involving blacks have involved people resisting arrest - with the exception of that guy who said he had a gun and reached for something, alarming the trigger happy cop.

Do I feel sorry for that guy shot in the back? He refused to stop for police, racing away in his car, when he crashed he ran for it. When the cop caught him he fought him and knocked the tazer out of his hands, then ran for it again. Did he deserve death for that? No. And the cop should be fired and punished. Do I feel particularly sorry for him? Nope. Nor do most White Americans.

Apparently you either haven't read or choose to ignore the actual stats as to how many unarmed Blacks get killed by white cops in the US. Did you happen to see for instance the kid shot and killed in the park for instance. No justification whatsoever. Here are some stats for your edification.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

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« Reply #755 on: September 25, 2017, 02:55:48 pm »
Ok, what about my example ?

What example? Soldiers? They actually ARE taking risks. And their motive is somewhat more patriotic than that of millionaire football players.
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« Reply #756 on: September 25, 2017, 03:07:44 pm »
Apparently you either haven't read or choose to ignore the actual stats as to how many unarmed Blacks get killed by white cops in the US. Did you happen to see for instance the kid shot and killed in the park for instance. No justification whatsoever. Here are some stats for your edification.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Spare me. The stats aren't out of line with the stats on Black violence which causes a lot more interaction between police and, in particular, young black males. In New York city 56% of murder suspects are Black, as are 50% of ****, 66% of robberies, 70% of shootings, 53% of assaults, 57% of grand larcenies, etc. etc. The suspect stats exactly match the victim description stats so it's not like the cops are making stuff up. OF COURSE there's going to be a lot more violent interaction between police and the Black population on a statistical basis. BLM never talks about the Black crime stats but that's basically the reason.

Some years back Chris Rock did a funny video, an instructoinal video for Black men titled "How not to get your ass kicked by the POlice." Number one was "Obey the law".
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« Reply #757 on: September 25, 2017, 03:23:52 pm »
What example? Soldiers? They actually ARE taking risks. And their motive is somewhat more patriotic than that of millionaire football players.

Yes, but they're stupid too right ?  "more patriotic" ?  How far backward will you bend to allow generalizations to be used to insult groups you don't like ?

Football players = stupid = protests of conscience aren't valorous
Soldiers = more patriotic = ?

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« Reply #758 on: September 25, 2017, 03:28:45 pm »
Spare me. The stats aren't out of line with the stats on Black violence which causes a lot more interaction between police and, in particular, young black males. In New York city 56% of murder suspects are Black, as are 50% of ****, 66% of robberies, 70% of shootings, 53% of assaults, 57% of grand larcenies, etc. etc. The suspect stats exactly match the victim description stats so it's not like the cops are making stuff up. OF COURSE there's going to be a lot more violent interaction between police and the Black population on a statistical basis. BLM never talks about the Black crime stats but that's basically the reason.

Some years back Chris Rock did a funny video, an instructoinal video for Black men titled "How not to get your ass kicked by the POlice." Number one was "Obey the law".

Your obvious attempt to deflect does not change the facts that you are a lot more likely to get shot by a cop if you are Black in America. And the cop will likely get away with it.

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« Reply #759 on: September 25, 2017, 05:37:40 pm »
The individual risk, as you point out, is pretty minimal when you're part of 200 guys who kneel. The risk is generalized. NFL will be less popular, and have fewer fans, and ultimately, they might have to settle for a little less money next contract negotiation if it continues, but that's all ephemeral stuff.

Football players, not too bright? Perish the thought!



As opposed to the mob Trump feeds with his rabble rousing. Black athletes should suck it up and take their medicine as individuals. What a bunch of wimps showing support for each other. Even worse are the their white team mates who show them support. I doubt the leagues will suffer at all.
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« Reply #760 on: September 25, 2017, 06:01:44 pm »
Yes, but they're stupid too right ?  "more patriotic" ?  How far backward will you bend to allow generalizations to be used to insult groups you don't like ?

Football players = stupid = protests of conscience aren't valorous
Soldiers = more patriotic = ?

Your comparison is inane. You're trying to say multimillionaire football players should be admired for their bravery in kneeling or else we shouldn't admire men who risk their lives for their countries for theirs.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

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« Reply #761 on: September 25, 2017, 06:02:57 pm »
Your obvious attempt to deflect does not change the facts that you are a lot more likely to get shot by a cop if you are Black in America. And the cop will likely get away with it.

You are six times more likely to murder someone in America if you're Black too.

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« Reply #762 on: September 25, 2017, 06:12:09 pm »
As opposed to the mob Trump feeds with his rabble rousing. Black athletes should suck it up and take their medicine as individuals. What a bunch of wimps showing support for each other. Even worse are the their white team mates who show them support. I doubt the leagues will suffer at all.

You doubt, based on what? Viewership was down last year and is down more this year. You doubt that offending a substantial portion of your customers every week will cost you anything? Seriously? You taken a look at what NFL stadiums look like in LA and San Francisco lately?

You're falling into the trap of thinking that because Trump is opposed to something every decent individual has to support it. That's illogical. If Trump comes out and demands everyone brush their teeth before bedtime are you going to indignantly throw your toothbrush away?
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« Reply #763 on: September 26, 2017, 12:35:29 am »
Your comparison is inane. You're trying to say multimillionaire football players should be admired for their bravery in kneeling or else we shouldn't admire men who risk their lives for their countries for theirs.

What's actually inane is your attempt to conflate people showing their disdain for the ongoing racism that to this day permeates the US by twisting it to try and say it is a show of disrespect for soldiers. Sounds what we'd expect to hear from the likes of faux news.

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« Reply #764 on: September 26, 2017, 05:41:45 am »
Your comparison is inane. You're trying to say multimillionaire football players should be admired for their bravery in kneeling or else we shouldn't admire men who risk their lives for their countries for theirs.

I didn't say that - I'm playing your judgement matrix back to you.