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« Reply #705 on: September 19, 2017, 09:46:03 am »
And now Sean Spicer appears on SNL and makes a joke of himself about how he lied at the behest of his boss. Is integrity in American politics gone forever?
He was on the Emmy's.

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« Reply #706 on: September 19, 2017, 08:47:29 pm »
Nice to see Trump trying to deescalate things at the UN by vowing to "totally destroy" N. Korea in order to protect US or allies.

On the other hand Obama wouldn't and didn't really do anything to stop N Korea getting these nukes. 
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« Reply #707 on: September 19, 2017, 09:29:08 pm »
Nice to see Trump trying to deescalate things at the UN by vowing to "totally destroy" N. Korea in order to protect US or allies.
I read recently how NK can still import as much oil as it needs thanks to China and Russia. It is clear that that China a Russia don't really care that NK has nukes and are deliberately exacerbating the situation for political purposes. If this escalates a big part of the blame has to go to China and Russia.

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« Reply #708 on: September 19, 2017, 11:00:01 pm »
I read recently how NK can still import as much oil as it needs thanks to China and Russia. It is clear that that China a Russia don't really care that NK has nukes and are deliberately exacerbating the situation for political purposes. If this escalates a big part of the blame has to go to China and Russia.

Trump standing up at the UNGA and saying he would blow away NK and it's 25 million people puts the load on Donny. Sorry, but your buddy just made a complete ass of himself in front of the world.
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« Reply #709 on: September 20, 2017, 12:04:46 am »
I read recently how NK can still import as much oil as it needs thanks to China and Russia. It is clear that that China a Russia don't really care that NK has nukes and are deliberately exacerbating the situation for political purposes. If this escalates a big part of the blame has to go to China and Russia.
Because there is some requirement that Russia and China should also put America first?   
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« Reply #710 on: September 20, 2017, 05:46:48 am »
Because there is some requirement that Russia and China should also put America first?

No- because the risk of nuclear war is the highest it's been in over 50 years, as evidenced in China and Russa's UN votes.
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« Reply #711 on: September 20, 2017, 09:00:59 am »
No- because the risk of nuclear war is the highest it's been in over 50 years, as evidenced in China and Russa's UN votes.

Yes, they voted for the toughest sanctions ever against a country, but didn't go as far as the States wanted, right?   They had some concern that what the States wanted could result in rash behavior by N Korea, but probably even more concerning - from their point of view - is the risk that N Korea could collapse completely and they"d end up with a bunch of refugees and more American military in the area.   So they are not putting America first, and possibly for good reason. 


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« Reply #712 on: September 20, 2017, 09:25:25 am »
Has Trump climbed a tree he can't get down. The US military policy regarding Korea and it's other Asian allies hasn't changed since 1950, all he has done is change the rhetoric to the fat boy's sand box level. He will be on his own with Israel when it comes to Iran because none of his other allies support his policy on the nuclear agreement. George Shultz once said, if you have no policy, the temptation is to make a speech. Trump makes lots of speeches.
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« Reply #713 on: September 20, 2017, 01:20:31 pm »
Interesting juxtaposition just this am were Obama spoke in New York at the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation Goalkeepers on global health where he roundly criticized the Trump administration for their failures on healthcare, and a very few minutes later, Trump took to the podium in NY at the UN and spoke about Africa. It was day and night.

Obama spoke eloquently with barely an occasional glance at his notes, and he held your interest because he had something to say. Trump couldn't string two coherent sentences together without following his finger along the page as he read in a grade three primary school fashion, and it was boring as it was nothing but hyperbole.

A breath of fresh air and then a roomful of stagnant air. 

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« Reply #714 on: September 20, 2017, 03:45:18 pm »
So they are not putting America first, and possibly for good reason.
The question is whether they really want to stop NK from getting ICBMs. By their actions the answer is clearly no - they are happy to see a crazy state get nuclear armed ICBMs as long as that crazy state is obsessed with the US. Their posturing in support of sanctions while blocking those sanctions that would really change the facts on the ground is pathetic and if this escalates they deserve a big part of the blame for sitting on the sidelines when they had the power to do more.


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« Reply #715 on: September 20, 2017, 03:58:09 pm »
Interesting juxtaposition just this am were Obama spoke in New York at the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation Goalkeepers on global health where he roundly criticized the Trump administration for their failures on healthcare, and a very few minutes later, Trump took to the podium in NY at the UN and spoke about Africa. It was day and night.

Obama spoke eloquently with barely an occasional glance at his notes, and he held your interest because he had something to say. Trump couldn't string two coherent sentences together without following his finger along the page as he read in a grade three primary school fashion, and it was boring as it was nothing but hyperbole.

A breath of fresh air and then a roomful of stagnant air.

And yet, despite his eloquence, Obama was a fumble-fingered incompetent in foreign policy.
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« Reply #716 on: September 20, 2017, 04:16:51 pm »
And yet, despite his eloquence, Obama was a fumble-fingered incompetent in foreign policy.

Yeah, incompetent enough he managed a deal with Iran on Nukes, which now Trump will likely rip up so Iran can go back to making whatever they want without any prying eyes. Now that goes beyond incompetent and all the way to stupid.

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« Reply #717 on: September 20, 2017, 09:04:55 pm »
Trump couldn't even get it together enough while he was addressing African leaders, to pronounce the name of an African country called Namibia. He referred to it as Nambia a number of times during his silly speech. Now can any of you Trump supporters point out to the rest of us where Nambia is?

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« Reply #718 on: September 21, 2017, 04:19:10 pm »
A good description of Trump's speech to the UN, and yet his approval ratings have gone up apparently due to his handling of the NK situation. There must be some knuckleheads down there that like this "fire and fury" idea.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/trumps-un-speech-a-throwback-to-a-darker-world/article36308078/

Trump’s UN speech a throwback to a darker world

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« Reply #719 on: September 22, 2017, 11:57:05 am »
A good description of Trump's speech to the UN, and yet his approval ratings have gone up apparently due to his handling of the NK situation. There must be some knuckleheads down there that like this "fire and fury" idea.


His approval rating has gone up because he reached across the aisle and started cutting deal with Democrats. Americans are heartily sick of the intransigence of the two political parties in failing to work together.
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