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Offline JMT

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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #675 on: September 04, 2017, 06:07:52 pm »
Just a reminder - proper names for world leaders.

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« Reply #676 on: September 05, 2017, 12:11:57 pm »
Just a reminder - proper names for world leaders.
Is calling the U.S. president the "racist orangtan" considered a proper name? Sounds pretty proper to me.

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« Reply #677 on: September 05, 2017, 12:12:42 pm »
Is calling the U.S. president the "racist orangtan" considered a proper name? Sounds pretty proper to me.

It may fit, but I don't think it's proper.
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« Reply #678 on: September 05, 2017, 02:43:09 pm »
Umm, Trump stopping trade with China won't stop China from doing business with NK. Pissing off China, South Korea and the others would only serve to isolate the US financially in the same way Trump has done politically. Another type of "wall" I suppose?

It's a matter of making it too unprofitable for China. They're not going to isolate North Korea if you don't pressure them. North Korea, as an example, pumps billions in laundered cash through Chinese banks. The US is talking about banning the four big ones from operating in the US. That's not stopping Chinese exports, that's specifically harming those doing business with North Korea. And let's face it, China has been violating every trade treaty and law for decades. The US can quite reasonably pick and choose the ones they want to start enforcing until China finally decides to arrange for the fat boy to fall off a cliff or something, and replaces him with someone more stable.

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I wish I had your confidence that Trump won't try to rain down some of his "fire and fury" on Kim.

I wish I had the confidence you seem to think I had in that.

He needs to be given options which seems like they can achieve something useful (even if they don't). Cracking down on Chinese banks, as an example, combined with a renewed effort towards a missile defense shield, might do for that.

I already owned Raytheon and Harris stock. I bought Lockheed Martin today - and more gold.
I foresee much more money going into anti-missile systems.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #679 on: September 06, 2017, 03:05:48 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-deal-democrats-republicans/index.html

Trump deals with Democrats !  Debt ceiling raised for 3 months ?  Interesting.

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« Reply #680 on: September 06, 2017, 08:00:07 pm »
Although I still dislike him intensely, this shows the potential he has... as an outsider.  Without knowing much of the details, looks good.

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« Reply #681 on: September 06, 2017, 08:42:39 pm »
He flails around in random directions and happens to hit the target, and this is success? 

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« Reply #682 on: September 06, 2017, 08:44:31 pm »
He flails around in random directions and happens to hit the target, and this is success?
Yup.

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« Reply #683 on: September 07, 2017, 10:40:28 am »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-deal-democrats-republicans/index.html

Trump deals with Democrats !  Debt ceiling raised for 3 months ?  Interesting.
Although I still dislike him intensely, this shows the potential he has... as an outsider.  Without knowing much of the details, looks good.
At this point, we don't know what exactly that deal means. In the long run, it may harm the republicans... GOP leaders wanted the debt ceiling raised for a longer period of time (6-18 months). The shorter time period will mean that they will have to revisit the issue by the end of the year, and it may potentially cause problems when midterm elections come around.

The options are:

- It was a genuine attempt by Trump to build bridges with the Democrats, realizing that he may need at least a few of their votes to pass legislation later on

- It is a sign of incompetence on the part of Trump, giving the Democrats something of value, not realizing it could harm the republicans in the future

- Trump was attempting to torment the republicans in Congress whom he often sees as disloyal... the message being "do what I say or I will destroy the party"

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« Reply #684 on: September 07, 2017, 12:48:11 pm »
He had no choice but to make a deal with one side or the other in order to get disaster money. He liked the Democrat conditions better than the Republican conditions. Plus he hates McConnell and Ryan, which can't make him all bad.
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« Reply #685 on: September 07, 2017, 01:28:30 pm »
He had no choice but to make a deal with one side or the other in order to get disaster money. He liked the Democrat conditions better than the Republican conditions. Plus he hates McConnell and Ryan, which can't make him all bad.

Au contraire, IMO.  These days McConnell and Ryan are looking more and more sane which does make him bad.

You know things are rough when Paul Ryan thinks your DACA stance is cruel and goes too far.

I hate him even more for making me find a tiny bit of respect for Paul Ryan.
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« Reply #686 on: September 07, 2017, 01:43:03 pm »
Ryan is pissed because Trump has forced Congress to deal with the DACA mess. I have no respect for either of them.

The Freedom Caucus of the GOP threatened to oppose any disaster relief that was coupled to a debt ceiling hike. Right now the united Democrats are more effective than the fractured Republicans when it comes to dealing with a President who really has no loyalty to anyone.
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« Reply #687 on: September 07, 2017, 02:13:33 pm »
Au contraire, IMO.  These days McConnell and Ryan are looking more and more sane which does make him bad.
More and more sane compared to what?

Remember, McConnell was the one who masterminded the creation of a Senate health care plan without any sort of input, then got shocked when it didn't pass. And Ryan also had the house pass it's health care bill despite the fact it didn't really stand a chance of getting through the senate.

Both of them are more than willing to pay lip service on some issues (e.g. racism), but when rubber meets road, they will resort to their little political games.

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« Reply #688 on: September 07, 2017, 03:15:11 pm »
More and more sane compared to what?

Remember, McConnell was the one who masterminded the creation of a Senate health care plan without any sort of input, then got shocked when it didn't pass. And Ryan also had the house pass it's health care bill despite the fact it didn't really stand a chance of getting through the senate.

Both of them are more than willing to pay lip service on some issues (e.g. racism), but when rubber meets road, they will resort to their little political games.

Oh I don't disagree.  They're both incredibly vile, that's why when they come out sounding compassionate I can't help but lose even *more* respect for Trump. 

And yes, compared to Trump they're worse.  It takes a special kind of maggot to make Paul Ryan look human.  Wouldn't you agree?

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« Reply #689 on: September 07, 2017, 05:41:29 pm »
Oh I don't disagree.  They're both incredibly vile, that's why when they come out sounding compassionate I can't help but lose even *more* respect for Trump. 



The GOP has always whined that what Obama did regarding DACA wasn't constitutional. Now they will have to do something constructive rather than just ****. Poor Paul, poor Mitch, my heart bleed for them. Donald? He is just kicking the issue to someone else which is what he does.
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