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« Reply #630 on: August 23, 2017, 06:46:37 pm »
And since he and MCConnell aren't on speaking terms he won't get much done without senate support.
I read that today.  What an ass.

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« Reply #631 on: August 24, 2017, 12:10:35 pm »
Did the "blacks for Trump" guy catch your eye yesterday?  He totally did mine and I wondered what's wrong with him.  It turns out, plenty.  He's a nutjob.
They should have gotten him the same place they got their Asian trump supporters...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/margaret-cho-arizona-republicans_us_599606fce4b0a2608a6b0a66
The Arizona Republican Party was caught in an eye roll-inducing gaffe this week when it mistakenly used a photo of outspoken comedian Margaret Cho to represent Asian Americans on its website.... The error is particularly laughable given Cho’s brand. The 48-year-old actress-comedian, who identifies as queer, has been an outspoken critic of President Donald Trump and the Republican party as a whole

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« Reply #632 on: August 24, 2017, 12:16:34 pm »
Trump is a walking disaster, but to compare his failures with W. Bush is absolutely ridiculous.  Bush killed hundreds of thousands of people & destroyed nations based on lies.  It's an absolute joke that Bush & admin were never seriously investigated.
I say this as someone who initially supported the Iraq invasion. (I felt that, even without Bush's lies, there was enough justification to support an invasion. Remember, the alternative to the war would have been Saddam continuing in power, a person who also racked up a pretty substantial body count over the years.)...

Give it time. Bush may have made mistakes in Iraq, but at least there was some justification to the actions. Trump is basically stumbling around blindly. If Trump doesn't start any wars, it won't be because of any talent or ability on his part, it will either be due to dumb luck, or others stepping in to prevent him from doing something foolish.

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« Reply #633 on: August 24, 2017, 12:25:29 pm »
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« Reply #634 on: August 24, 2017, 12:32:53 pm »
I say this as someone who initially supported the Iraq invasion. (I felt that, even without Bush's lies, there was enough justification to support an invasion. Remember, the alternative to the war would have been Saddam continuing in power, a person who also racked up a pretty substantial body count over the years.)...

Give it time. Bush may have made mistakes in Iraq, but at least there was some justification to the actions. Trump is basically stumbling around blindly. If Trump doesn't start any wars, it won't be because of any talent or ability on his part, it will either be due to dumb luck, or others stepping in to prevent him from doing something foolish.

I would disagree somewhat on Iraq, Bush's justification for the invasion was WMD, and the UN personnel knew damn he had none, and none of course were found hence the ICC declaring the invasion criminal. As one experienced American weapons inspector associated with the UN put it, "we know he used to have them because we have the receipts, but he gave them all up during the previous inspection"
I totally agree on Trump. James Clapper's recent comments about Trump's wild gyrations were especially chilling when he focused on his access to the nuclear codes. I'm old enough to vaguely remember that doomsday clock thing and I hate the idea of going back there.

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« Reply #635 on: August 24, 2017, 01:10:56 pm »
I would disagree somewhat on Iraq, Bush's justification for the invasion was WMD, and the UN personnel knew damn he had none, and none of course were found hence the ICC declaring the invasion criminal. As one experienced American weapons inspector associated with the UN put it, "we know he used to have them because we have the receipts, but he gave them all up during the previous inspection"
At the risk of derailing the thread... I never said the invasion was justified due to what Bush said. There were other issues going on... Saddam's continued support of terrorism (e.g. payments to the families of suicide bombers), continued suppression of his own people (the latest was his actions against the Marsh Arabs, which continued right up until the invasion, so it wasn't some long-past event.)

As for the WMD, keep in mind that at the time the argument by those involved usually was not "We know he doesn't have them". The argument was "Give us more time". (And Saddam wasn't fully complying with the demands of the weapons inspectors. Basically he was bluffing, and ended up getting caught on it.)

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I totally agree on Trump. James Clapper's recent comments about Trump's wild gyrations were especially chilling when he focused on his access to the nuclear codes. I'm old enough to vaguely remember that doomsday clock thing and I hate the idea of going back there.
Someone suggested increasing the length of the nuclear launch codes to over 140 characters so Trump couldn't accidentally tweet them out.

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« Reply #636 on: August 24, 2017, 01:35:29 pm »
At the risk of derailing the thread... I never said the invasion was justified due to what Bush said. There were other issues going on... Saddam's continued support of terrorism (e.g. payments to the families of suicide bombers), continued suppression of his own people (the latest was his actions against the Marsh Arabs, which continued right up until the invasion, so it wasn't some long-past event.)

As for the WMD, keep in mind that at the time the argument by those involved usually was not "We know he doesn't have them". The argument was "Give us more time". (And Saddam wasn't fully complying with the demands of the weapons inspectors. Basically he was bluffing, and ended up getting caught on it.)

Not according to what some highly experienced UN weapons inspectors told me over dinner one evening in Basrah.

Someone suggested increasing the length of the nuclear launch codes to over 140 characters so Trump couldn't accidentally tweet them out.
I never thought of that, but what the hell, it might just work.

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« Reply #637 on: August 24, 2017, 10:18:03 pm »
And if he shuts down the government over not getting funding for his stupid **** wall, and the Dow craters and I lose money in my measly portfolio, I'm going to go to Washington and kick doofus right in the arse.

I''l probably have to stand in line.

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« Reply #638 on: August 25, 2017, 09:58:56 am »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/donald-trump-hurricane-harvey-natural-disaster-response-test/index.html

Here it comes.  The test of both the presidency and the moral character of the country, which are both heavily favoured to fail.

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« Reply #639 on: August 25, 2017, 02:05:13 pm »
And if he shuts down the government over not getting funding for his stupid **** wall, and the Dow craters and I lose money in my measly portfolio, I'm going to go to Washington and kick doofus right in the arse.
I don't know how to tell you this, but the Dow is probably going to fall anyways.

While Trump likes to take credit for the recent rise in stock prices, the fact is the economy had already been improving under Obama (which is probably the main reason for the increase in the Dow.)

But between Trump's protectionist policies, and his inability to pass any legislation, you're probably going to see the economy falter. Plus, elimination of financial regulations will give us a bubble similar to the one pre-2008.

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« Reply #640 on: August 25, 2017, 02:15:09 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/donald-trump-hurricane-harvey-natural-disaster-response-test/index.html

Here it comes.  The test of both the presidency and the moral character of the country, which are both heavily favoured to fail.
Don't worry... the hurricane is being reported on by CNN, so I'm sure Trump will be sure to label it "Fake News".

"Its a chinese hoax! Besides, its all Obama's fault!"

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« Reply #641 on: August 25, 2017, 02:41:59 pm »
As Nero fiddled while Rome burned, so Trump will likely be swinging a golf club at Camp David while Texas floods.

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« Reply #642 on: August 25, 2017, 10:56:18 pm »
Trump pardons Arpaio, who is nothing more than a racist redneck **** who should be in jail, because the current focus is on the the storm coming ashore in Texas. Can you scumbag approving scumbag?

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« Reply #643 on: August 25, 2017, 11:36:40 pm »
He's having a big rally in Phoenix, and there are rampant rumours that he might pardon America's Toughest Sheriff, Joe Arpaio.  And as one of Trump's biggest supporters, I wouldn't be surprised if America's Biggest **** did indeed get a pardon.

America's Dumbest Shitbag is due to face jail time for willfully defying court rulings regarding racial profiling. This is pretty much like convicting Al Capone of tax evasion, or convicting Charles Manson of loitering.  Arpaio is a human **** stain. I think prison violence and prison **** are reprehensible and I normally wouldn't wish them on anyone. But given the humiliation and cruelty deliberately inflicted on prisoners by Arpaio, and given the deaths of individuals in Maricopa County custody due to deliberate denial of medical care, Joe deserves anything happens to him in prison.  Which won't be anything, because he'll no doubt be serving his time in a powder-puff prison, not a real prison.

Well he actually did it.

Arpaio is a piece of dog ****.

Maricopa County had hundreds of **** kits that never got tested because Sheriff Joe blew too much money chasing Obama birth certificate conspiracy idiocy.  Maricopa County had prisoners who died in custody because Sheriff Joe didn't want to provide medical care to prisoners because "jail is supposed to be tough."

Sheriff Joe is an authoritarian thug, and I guess given Trump's hard-on for other authoritarian thugs like Putin and Dutarte, I guess it was obvious that Trump would pardon a piece of crap like that.


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« Reply #644 on: August 25, 2017, 11:49:38 pm »
Meanwhile, Actual Nazi Sebastian Gorka has resigned from the Trump administration.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/25/breaking-sebastian-gorka-resigns-from-trump-administration/

Actual Nazi Sebastian Gorka wrote:

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“[G]iven recent events, it is clear to me that forces that do not support the MAGA promise are – for now – ascendant within the White House,” Gorka wrote. “As a result, the best and most effective way I can support you, Mr. President, is from outside the People’s House.”

“Regrettably, outside of yourself, the individuals who most embodied and represented the policies that will ‘Make America Great Again,’ have been internally countered, systematically removed, or undermined in recent months. This was made patently obvious as I read the text of your speech on Afghanistan this week…

“The fact that those who drafted and approved the speech removed any mention of Radical Islam or radical Islamic terrorism proves that a crucial element of your presidential campaign has been lost…

“Just as worrying, when discussing our future actions in the region, the speech listed operational objectives without ever defining the strategic victory conditions we are fighting for. This omission should seriously disturb any national security professional, and any American who is unsatisfied with the last 16 years of disastrous policy decisions which have led to thousands of Americans killed and trillions of taxpayer dollars spent in ways that have not brought security or victory.”

Reading between the lines, it seems likely that Actual Nazi Sebastian Gorka is disappointed that alt-rightists and Trumptards like Steve Bannon, The Mooch, and similar have been kicked out of the administration by John Kelly and the Republican establishment (or "globalist cucks", as the alt-right refers to them.)

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