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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #570 on: August 20, 2017, 10:27:06 am »
I've never felt the need to mix with groups of people that were 'like me' at all.
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« Reply #571 on: August 20, 2017, 10:33:07 am »
I've never felt the need to mix with groups of people that were 'like me' at all.

Well, you're just special.

It is a common complaint that every place is starting to look the same. But in the information age, the late writer James Chapin once told me, every place becomes more like itself. People are less often tied down to factories and mills, and they can search for places to live on the basis of cultural affinity. Once they find a town in which people share their values, they flock there, and reinforce whatever was distinctive about the town in the first place.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/09/people-like-us/302774/

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« Reply #572 on: August 20, 2017, 10:45:33 am »
I've never felt the need to mix with groups of people that were 'like me' at all.

Yeah, I've always found it interesting and rewarding to mix with all kinds of people.   

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« Reply #573 on: August 20, 2017, 10:50:02 am »
Yeah, I've always found it interesting and rewarding to mix with all kinds of people.

Of course. You're special too.

The science behind the adage that birds of a feather flock together has been unravelled at last. It is all down to a brain region which categorises people as being like us, even if all we know about them is that they have one thing in common..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3336375/We-prefer-people-we-think-are-similar-to-ourselves.html

If you’ve been under the impression that only opposites attract, then it's time to re-think everything. According to a new study by various research institutions in Germany, we are attracted to people who are similar to us, as opposed to someone who is our opposite. We inherently want someone so much like us, that we’re even attracted to people who look like us or family members. Yes, your partner actually might look just like your mom, but you also might just be in severe denial about it.


https://www.bustle.com/articles/153908-why-were-attracted-to-people-who-are-just-like-us-according-to-science
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« Reply #574 on: August 20, 2017, 11:17:49 am »
Of course. You're special too.

The science behind the adage that birds of a feather flock together has been unravelled at last. It is all down to a brain region which categorises people as being like us, even if all we know about them is that they have one thing in common..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3336375/We-prefer-people-we-think-are-similar-to-ourselves.html

I suppose it's not news that most people prefer to stay inside their little self-limiting boxes, and avoid reaching out or experiencing different things.   


If you’ve been under the impression that only opposites attract, then it's time to re-think everything. According to a new study by various research institutions in Germany, we are attracted to people who are similar to us, as opposed to someone who is our opposite. We inherently want someone so much like us, that we’re even attracted to people who look like us or family members. Yes, your partner actually might look just like your mom, but you also might just be in severe denial about it.


https://www.bustle.com/articles/153908-why-were-attracted-to-people-who-are-just-like-us-according-to-science

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« Reply #575 on: August 20, 2017, 08:21:13 pm »
On the left, you had professors, students, citizens, denouncing hate-mongering and white supremacy. That's what the vast majority of that crowd was. Were there radicals there. Absolutely. ANTIFA is a radical group, organized to fight white supremacy. But that was not the entire crowd on the other side. Not even close. That's not who was murdered by that maniac. That's not who those 19 others were that were seriously injured by him either. These were innocent civilians.

Seriously. Denouncing what had happened is a total softball. There is absolutely no room to play politics and during a time of crisis, during a literal radical rightwing terrorist attack, to turn around and start attacking the left and saying there's violence on "all sides" as if there is ANY comparison here. There is none. Nobody on the left opened fire on the crowd of white supremacists. Nobody on the left tried to drive a car into the crowd or murder anyone there. None.

In short, there is a time and a place to denounce the radicalism of ANTIFA. That absolutely has it's place and would be necessary if they drove a car into a crowd of white supremacists. Doing it when you're on national television supposedly consoling the nation after a white supremacist tried to murder a couple dozen people.....there's nothing else to call that than **** stupid. That's seriously not the time for mental **** about tallying up the sins of both sides to see which is worse.



You are totally obfuscating, it's been explained again and again that the nazis are way worse and there is no comparison between the two sides.  Donald Trump is an idiot and equally idiotic are his statements on the topic.

For the 20th time - yes, the nazis are way worse.  They are despicable.  They ganged up and beat people and one of them committed murder and attempted murder.

Nobody (at least on this board) is refuting that.  But that doesn't mean that going around and throwing the first punch against the idiots is a righteous thing to do and if you think nobody is doing that then your head is very much in the sand because a TONNE of people are excusing it and applauding it on social media and since you deny anyone did anything of the sort, please see my last post where I left a link earlier where a man was punched for doing a nazi salute.

That's the issue here... nobody on this board is defending Trump's moral equivalence as though the two are equal.  Nobody.

Only that it's not complete evil against complete innocence, we have idiots on our side too who are not doing our cause any good.

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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #576 on: August 20, 2017, 08:33:53 pm »
Of course. You're special too.

The science behind the adage that birds of a feather flock together has been unravelled at last. It is all down to a brain region which categorises people as being like us, even if all we know about them is that they have one thing in common..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3336375/We-prefer-people-we-think-are-similar-to-ourselves.html

If you’ve been under the impression that only opposites attract, then it's time to re-think everything. According to a new study by various research institutions in Germany, we are attracted to people who are similar to us, as opposed to someone who is our opposite. We inherently want someone so much like us, that we’re even attracted to people who look like us or family members. Yes, your partner actually might look just like your mom, but you also might just be in severe denial about it.


https://www.bustle.com/articles/153908-why-were-attracted-to-people-who-are-just-like-us-according-to-science

Well, I agree that I like to be friends who are like me but that has nothing to do with their outward appearances.  Generally it comes down to values and lifestyle. 

I must be special too.


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« Reply #577 on: August 20, 2017, 10:34:43 pm »
In Montreal, the "anti-fascist" protesters made fools of themselves by attacking the police and media while the anti-immigration group "La Meute" waited in an underground parkade for police to disperse the rioters.


This was from the Seattle "counter-protest" to the "Patriot Prayer" event there:



It's hard to get behind a group who are prepared to beat a guy's head in because he looks "alt-right" to them.


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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #578 on: August 21, 2017, 07:50:58 am »
Well, I agree that I like to be friends who are like me but that has nothing to do with their outward appearances.  Generally it comes down to values and lifestyle. 

I must be special too.

But if you start out with zero friends who are non-white, how long will it take to get to a place where your friend list is proportional to your local area, or Canada ?  I have, like, four black friends in Toronto and it's not for not liking black folks.  I just don't meet them.

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« Reply #579 on: August 21, 2017, 08:41:11 am »
It's hard to get behind a group who are prepared to beat a guy's head in because he looks "alt-right" to them.


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Agreed.  Also the masks, thats weird, is it to intimidate the "other side" or to avoid cameras?   I am reminded of Surreu Creep Catchers, and some cops, who think their goal justifies their means. 
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #581 on: August 21, 2017, 09:33:41 am »
Now that Trump has bankrupted the Secret Service in only 7 months we will see:

Will it be the Antifa's who get him?

Or will it be the KKK since he "allowed his white daughter to marry a jew?"

I wonder what the odds are?
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« Reply #582 on: August 21, 2017, 10:25:13 am »
No. It really is.

This followed by 7 paragraphs explaining to me why it's so simple, including several strawmans aka arguments of things I never even said.

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A white supremacist neo-nazi murdered an innocent woman and attempted to murder several others by driving a car into a crowd. It's pretty easy to unequivocally denounce a terrorist murderer without pointing fingers at the victims at all.

It wasn't the victims' fault they got hit by a damned car by an a$$!  I'm not saying that!

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Bringing up ANTIFA or any other nonsense is meant to equivocate and justify his actions. Absolutely nothing else.

Uhh no, it's meant to say it wasn't just the neo-nazis who started violence and to make the point that fighting neo-nazis with their own tactics is the wrong way to do this.  I've said several times now THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND ANTIFA ARE NOT MORALLY EQUIVALENT  And stop telling ME the intentions of what I'M saying, multiple people in here making boogey-mens up in their own minds and then accusing me of being this imaginary enemy aka strawman.

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It is literally used to diminish the gravity of what had happened. It also changes the conversation from denouncing an appalling murder to whining about liberals.

It may be by Trump, but not I.  I'm not whining about liberals.  My political views mostly lean liberal.  I'm whining about a$$hats who commit violence.  I don't give a crap what side you're on, if you started violence during those protests you're an a$$.  If you support mob violence whether on left or right, you're an a$$.  White supremecists who started violence are bigger a$$es, that doesn't make the leftwing a$$ses not a$$ses.

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On the left, you had professors, students, citizens, denouncing hate-mongering and white supremacy. That's what the vast majority of that crowd was. Were there radicals there. Absolutely. ANTIFA is a radical group, organized to fight white supremacy. But that was not the entire crowd on the other side. Not even close.

I'm aware of that and never said otherwise, yet another strawman.

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In short, there is a time and a place to denounce the radicalism of ANTIFA. That absolutely has it's place and would be necessary if they drove a car into a crowd of white supremacists. Doing it when you're on national television supposedly consoling the nation after a white supremacist tried to murder a couple dozen people.....there's nothing else to call that than **** stupid. That's seriously not the time for mental **** about tallying up the sins of both sides to see which is worse.

What Trump did and did not say was wrong, he handled that very poorly, because he's a damned racist, so I agree with you there for sure.  I'm not the POTUS though and I don't speak for America, so I can say whatever I want.  And I say anyone who started violence there is an a$$.  Here I'll edit that so people don't misinterpret my intentions yet again:   Anyone who started violence there is an a$$, and white supremacists who started violence are even bigger a$$es.  Doesn't that go without saying???

Not only did you not denounce the ANTIFA violence (& btw there were more than ANTIFA there on the left creating violence, like the guy who attacked the organizer), you're on record here as supporting it as are others.  IMO that's wrong.  Racist-filled hate & rageful violence fought with justice-filled hate & rageful violence is still hate & rageful violence.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #583 on: August 21, 2017, 10:36:35 am »
I think amongst all this bullshit it's also really important to note that there is absolutely zero documented evidence of the left attacking anyone at all.

Wrong.  Go to 17:30 (not even ANTIFA that I can tell)



or go to 55 seconds, police do nothing.



I think amongst all this bullshit it's also really important to note that there is absolutely zero documented evidence of the left attacking anyone at all. Trump completely fabricated the story about them "charging in with clubs." It never happened. Not a single photo or video of it happening has emerged.

Wrong, go to 2:45 ((not even ANTIFA that I can tell)

 
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« Reply #584 on: August 21, 2017, 11:23:31 am »
Poor Nazis. My heart bleeds for how much violence they have to suffer while advocating GENOCIDE.