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« Reply #480 on: August 10, 2017, 10:55:18 pm »
I'd prefer not, only because he doesn't call himself that.  Though, you are right, it is a historical family name.
Yeah but its not just that its a historical family name... its that Donald himself has actually attacked people for changing their names.

If Trump is criticizing people for not using their historical names, then isn't it morally right to expect some consistency and refer to Trump by his family's historical name?

If Jon Stewart is so above it all & legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibowitz? He should be proud of his heritage!
- Donald J Trump, aka Drumph

http://www.thedailybeast.com/revisiting-donald-trumps-anti-semitic-attacks-against-jon-stewart

This one always annoyed me. Trump was never named Drumpf, nor was his father or grandfather or great-grandfather... in fact the "Drumpf" surname was allegedly dropped sometime in the 1600s.  Suggesting that the guy ought to go by a surname his family dropped hundreds of years ago is asinine. Quite different from the show-biz practice of using a stage-name, as Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz (and many others) do.

The reason it annoys me is that many of us from non-English backgrounds have different surnames from what our ancestors did. Dad's Swedish grandparents adopted an Anglicized spelling of their name when they arrived in the New World. Mom's family name is 6 letters shorter than what her her Eastern European ancestors went by. I feel like if you're mocking Trump because his ancestors changed the family name in the 1600s, you're also mocking a lot of people whose families changed their names a lot more recently.

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« Reply #481 on: August 10, 2017, 10:56:24 pm »
One of my few rules - don't insult the public figures by changing their names.

In my defense, I honestly thought her name was Susan.

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« Reply #482 on: August 10, 2017, 11:00:17 pm »
Once upon a time Trump predicted that Obama would start dropping bombs in the Middle East to distract from falling poll numbers.

That's projection. That's Trump telling everybody how he thinks. He thought Obama would do that because that's what Trump would do.

And so it shouldn't be surprising that Trump has climbed into the sandbox to squabble with fellow fat-kid snowflake Kim Jong Un.

The senile motherfucker is going to start a nuclear war to distract everybody from the Russia probe.

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« Reply #483 on: August 11, 2017, 12:11:46 am »
This one always annoyed me. Trump was never named Drumpf, nor was his father or grandfather or great-grandfather... in fact the "Drumpf" surname was allegedly dropped sometime in the 1600s.  Suggesting that the guy ought to go by a surname his family dropped hundreds of years ago is asinine. Quite different from the show-biz practice of using a stage-name, as Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz (and many others) do.
First of all, while there are some reports that the Drumpf name was changed in the 1600s, there is fairly strong evidence that the change was much more recent... by his Grandfather, so while Trump may not have used the name 'Drumph', the name 'Trump' may not be that old.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf/

Secondly, the name 'Stewart' isn't just a stage name; Jon Stewart legally changed it, and while it may have benefited his career, it appears the main reason was due to a poor relationship with his father.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart#Early_life

So, there are legal and moral reasons to refer to Jon as 'Stewart'. Yet Trump thought it was fair game to attempt to refer to him by a name that Stewart isn't known by legally, and who doesn't want to be referred to for personal reasons..
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The reason it annoys me is that many of us from non-English backgrounds have different surnames from what our ancestors did. Dad's Swedish grandparents adopted an Anglicized spelling of their name when they arrived in the New World. Mom's family name is 6 letters shorter than what her her Eastern European ancestors went by. I feel like if you're mocking Trump because his ancestors changed the family name in the 1600s, you're also mocking a lot of people whose families changed their names a lot more recently.
No, I'm mocking Trump for being a hypocrite. If he had actually said "It made sense for Jon Stewart to change his name", I probably wouldn't be be talking about Drumph. Heck, even if he had remained silent about Stewart's name change I would have had less to criticize him for. Its the fact that he attacked others for changing their name (for reasons that were just as valid as his ancestors changing their name from Drumph to Trump) that I am criticizing him.
 

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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #484 on: August 11, 2017, 01:13:27 pm »
I think this was me, but because the post is gone I have no idea what I said that was moderated.
It was me for sure. I used a different word for Huckabee.

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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #485 on: August 11, 2017, 02:57:18 pm »
Several people did things.  No harm no foul.

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« Reply #486 on: August 13, 2017, 08:50:11 pm »
Now we have a similar group of right wing knucklehead Trump supporters raoming the streets of Seattle creating a similar environment as they did in VA. I guess it's "Alt the Governments Men"

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« Reply #487 on: August 14, 2017, 05:58:33 am »
 Other stupidity from last week:

Exacerbating the NK nuclear threat
Military option for Venezuela
Fighting with the Senate Majority leader of his own party

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« Reply #488 on: August 14, 2017, 03:45:57 pm »
Someone at the White House must have held Trump's feet to the fire to convince him to finally make a proper statement as to what occurred in Chancellorsville. Trump tried to redeem himself today by finally giving a statement where he did actually condemn racists, white supremacists, neo-nazis, and the like. Of course the statement fell flat, partly because he prefixed such an important issue with a ridiculous statement about the economy, but mostly because he took so long to address the real issues. A question in my mind is Trump really that ignorant and arrogant with regard to his original statement, or was there a method to his madness? I suspect the latter. He knows the people he finally identified and condemned today are a big chunk of his supporters. By not singling them out at the outset, he can deliver this totally scripted teleprompter chatter today with a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" to them. Who the hell would need a teleprompter to deliver such statement if they were in any way sincere? I hope this disgrace drives his polls further into the ditch where they belong.

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« Reply #489 on: August 14, 2017, 09:27:54 pm »
He needed a teleprompter for it to be coherent English. Today's speech might actually save him more votes than he stands to keep by defending these morons.

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« Reply #490 on: August 14, 2017, 11:51:52 pm »
It seems to me there are a lot of moroms who voted for him who need to look up the word autocray. Or perhaps they already have and don't give a f**k because it suits their racist agenda. Maybe we should be thinking about a wall.

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« Reply #491 on: August 15, 2017, 12:02:07 pm »
Someone at the White House must have held Trump's feet to the fire to convince him to finally make a proper statement as to what occurred in Chancellorsville. Trump tried to redeem himself today by finally giving a statement where he did actually condemn racists, white supremacists, neo-nazis, and the like. Of course the statement fell flat, partly because he prefixed such an important issue with a ridiculous statement about the economy, but mostly because he took so long to address the real issues.
It should also be pointed out that, while Trump waited days before getting around to say "Nazis are bad, m'kay?"...

- When one of the members of his Manufacturing council resigned in protest of Trump's inaction, he launched a twitter attack within hours

- After his apology, he went on Twitter (again, after only a very short amount of time) to attack the media, calling them "truly bad people" because they criticized his handling of the events (i.e. he gave more condemnation of the media than he initially did over Nazis and KKK members.)

- Retweeted a post from a well-known alt-right racist (Jack Posobiec). Way to let the world know that you're opposed to Racism... by showing how you support people in the alt-right movement.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/346554-trump-attacks-fake-news-media-following-remarks-on-charlottesville
https://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-goes-nuts-after-trump-retweets-pizzagate-conspiracist-jack-posobiec/

And I thought Kelly was supposed to get a handle on Trump's excesses.

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A question in my mind is Trump really that ignorant and arrogant with regard to his original statement, or was there a method to his madness? I suspect the latter. He knows the people he finally identified and condemned today are a big chunk of his supporters. By not singling them out at the outset, he can deliver this totally scripted teleprompter chatter today with a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" to them. Who the hell would need a teleprompter to deliver such statement if they were in any way sincere? I hope this disgrace drives his polls further into the ditch where they belong.
I'm sure he recognizes that the neo-nazis and racists are among his strongest supporters (and will probably be the only ones left by the time the next election comes around.) But, its also possible that Trump's inability to condemn racism is because he himself is racist and doesn't see anything wrong with it.

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« Reply #492 on: August 15, 2017, 12:05:11 pm »
Military option for Venezuela
Yup. After years of a corrupt Venezuelan government trying to blame problems on the evil United States, Trump gives them exactly what they need... real concrete proof that the U.S. wants to interfere.

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« Reply #493 on: August 15, 2017, 03:28:36 pm »
Trump just issued a statement introducing a proposed infrastructure bill and then took questions from the press. Of course there were next to no questions on the bill, mostly on Charlottesville, and he of course once again succeeded to make a complete and utter ass of himself. He went right back to reiterating his initial remarks of "all sides" which he was so roundly criticized for. He continues to indicate that he is a supporter of White Supremacy, the alt. right, and the neo-nazis. I guess America deserves the idiot they elected.

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« Reply #494 on: August 15, 2017, 04:01:19 pm »
Trump just issued a statement introducing a proposed infrastructure bill and then took questions from the press. Of course there were next to no questions on the bill, mostly on Charlottesville, and he of course once again succeeded to make a complete and utter ass of himself. He went right back to reiterating his initial remarks of "all sides" which he was so roundly criticized for. He continues to indicate that he is a supporter of White Supremacy, the alt. right, and the neo-nazis. I guess America deserves the idiot they elected.
He's gone further than that... he has also made references comparing Robert E. Lee with George Washington.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-charlottesville-george-washington-a7895401.html