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« Reply #435 on: July 28, 2017, 07:52:48 am »
Ok, skinny repeal has died now.  It seems that the Republican healthcare plans are now all dead and they are moving forward on tax reform.

Trump will not own this, of course, and it seems to me that McCain must have been somewhat happy to stick it to him, on some level.

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« Reply #436 on: July 28, 2017, 09:35:57 am »
"Who knew healthcare was so complicated?"


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« Reply #437 on: July 28, 2017, 09:37:09 am »
Ok, skinny repeal has died now.  It seems that the Republican healthcare plans are now all dead and they are moving forward on tax reform.
But... but... during the election trump said he had a great health care plan! It must be true because Trump would never lie!

Maybe Trump is keeping it secret and will spring it on us later.
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Trump will not own this, of course, and it seems to me that McCain must have been somewhat happy to stick it to him, on some level.
Well, as I said before... it is probably beneficial for Trump, since even many of his supporters rely on Obamacare.

And have to say, McCain came through. Question is whether he voted down the bill because it was a bad bill or just to stick it to Trump.

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« Reply #438 on: July 28, 2017, 09:40:51 am »
Trump marketed himself as the Big Deal guy. The guy who makes deals. Bigly bigly deals. Yuge deals. High energy deals. He's the guy who makes deals! He says "deal" ten times every interview. Deals. Deals. He's all about deals. He (or his ghost writer, at least) wrote "The Art Of The Deal".  He's Mr Deal.

But once again he couldn't seal the deal.

SAD!

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« Reply #439 on: July 28, 2017, 09:41:37 am »
I did a quick google on Ken Starr regarding another thread, and saw that Starr penned a blistering op-ed about Trump's treatment of Jeff Sessions.  I assume this came about because Starr heard his name mentioned as a potential replacement for Sessions, and wanted to nip that **** in the bud.
I can't understand why Starr wouldn't just jump at the chance to work for the Trump admin. Imagine how exciting it would be, working for a president that demands complete loyalty but will throw you under a bus when it suits him! Imagine the thrill of finding out that the president has made major policy decisions via twitter without consulting you!

It would be like riding a giant roller coaster, but instead of a nice gentle stop at the end you get thrown into a pile of cow dung!
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« Reply #440 on: July 28, 2017, 09:42:52 am »
Hard to say.  By the end, the bill they had would have had to go back to Congress anyway.

They bonked the process up so badly it's hard to believe that these are experiences legislators.

The Republicans are now a party torn up from within.

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« Reply #441 on: July 28, 2017, 09:44:19 am »
Trump marketed himself as the Big Deal guy. The guy who makes deals. Bigly bigly deals. Yuge deals. High energy deals. He's the guy who makes deals! He says "deal" ten times every interview. Deals. Deals. He's all about deals. He (or his ghost writer, at least) wrote "The Art Of The Deal".  He's Mr Deal.

But once again he couldn't seal the deal.
I guess its a little different making a deal when you don't have a team of lawyers who can effectively beat up other, less wealthy people.

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SAD!
This is to inform you that the term 'sad' has been trademarked by Donald J. Drumph industries, and you now owe royalties.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #442 on: July 28, 2017, 09:46:24 am »
My post was in response to the question on McCain's motivation.

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« Reply #443 on: July 28, 2017, 09:49:38 am »
Hard to say.  By the end, the bill they had would have had to go back to Congress anyway.

They bonked the process up so badly it's hard to believe that these are experiences legislators.

The Republicans are now a party torn up from within.
Well, for the better part of the past 8 years, the only thing that the republicans had to run on was "Oppose Obama!". When you build your politics around obstructionism its hard to bring anything useful to the table. And now that Obama (their sole focus) is gone, the have nothing left to do but wander aimlessly.
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« Reply #444 on: July 28, 2017, 10:29:06 am »
538 has approval pegged at 38.5% which is down .5%

Doesn't sound like much, but it was at 39.5% for a little while, so this may signal erosion of base support.

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« Reply #445 on: July 28, 2017, 11:30:01 am »
538 has approval pegged at 38.5% which is down .5%
At least he's still popular in Russia. You know, the people who helped get him elected.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

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« Reply #446 on: July 28, 2017, 12:11:54 pm »
538 has approval pegged at 38.5% which is down .5%

Doesn't sound like much, but it was at 39.5% for a little while, so this may signal erosion of base support.

That's within the margin of error...  so no change.  Don't get excited over a single percent, unless it's a clear trend over time.

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« Reply #447 on: July 28, 2017, 02:08:37 pm »
That's within the margin of error...  so no change.  Don't get excited over a single percent, unless it's a clear trend over time.

It's an agregator, so it doesn't really work the same way.

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« Reply #448 on: July 28, 2017, 02:22:36 pm »
Hard to say.  By the end, the bill they had would have had to go back to Congress anyway.

They bonked the process up so badly it's hard to believe that these are experiences legislators.

First, they were trying to do the impossible; live up to Trump's idiotic promise for way better health care at a fraction of the price. Second, the advent of the Tea Party put pressure on all Republicans to be as uncompromising as possible with the enemy (Democrats). Any senator/congressman who seemed likely to be congenial or moderate wound up facing well-funded primary challenges from the far right. Further, since most Republican congressmen are in gerrymandered districts a primary challenge is really their only fear of losing their seats. So they all began to embrace the 'hard line' attitude to protect themselves from the Tea party. Now everyone is afraid to compromise. Working with the Democrats is virtually unthinkable. It wouldn't be hard to craft a better national health care plan than Obamacare, but that would require compromise with the Democrats to fix some of the problems. That's now anathema to the Republicans. With such a small majority that means they have to have virtual unanimity on anything to get it through, and that's much harder to achieve in the senate since there isn't any gerrymandering to allow senators to ignore the will of the people with impunity.

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« Reply #449 on: July 28, 2017, 02:44:24 pm »
That's within the margin of error...  so no change.  Don't get excited over a single percent, unless it's a clear trend over time.

Two points:

It was only 1/2 of one percent.

I think that it's the third poll showing a drop.