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« Reply #390 on: June 29, 2017, 02:17:39 pm »
It's so true isn't it.  This morning's tweets about Mika Brzezinski was so immature and perfect example of how a bully behaves.

As much as I dislike George Bush, he didn't disrespect the office of the POTUS like Trump is doing.  I just shake my head in disbelief day after day.

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« Reply #391 on: June 29, 2017, 02:29:57 pm »
Also with Bush, you could debate his policies with reasonably intelligent people. I can't bother to debate with Trump supporters because it's like shooting fish in a barrel and they're too stupid to realize they're getting shot.
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« Reply #392 on: June 30, 2017, 10:10:13 pm »
If Mitt Romney, or Paul Ryan, or Mike Pence were President right now, you could have reasonable discussions based on their policies and their ideologies.

With Trump, the Trumptards will defend his idiocy regardless of what pholosophical or ideological underpinnings it has. it's no longer a matter of political discourse, it's just a matter of team sports. TRUMP NAY-SHAWWWWN--- ya-yah-YAAAAAHH!!!

Trump is the idol of idiot-worshippers.   By their fruits you shall know them."  Matthew 7:16

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« Reply #393 on: July 01, 2017, 06:39:22 pm »
Trump is the idol of idiot-worshippers.   By their fruits you shall know them."  Matthew 7:16

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The irony is you've just come up with one more bible quote than Trump could manage, and I doubt you're a particularly observant Christian.
Bill Maher said that if the election proved one thing it proved the complete hypocrisy of the evangelical Christian movement in the US, and the so-called Christian right. They had no problem enthusiastically supporting a man who has lived in his life in opposition to everything Jesus Christ allegedly stands for, a serial adulterer who curses like a sailor in public, an avowed hedonist who knows nothing about the bible and doesn't belong to a church, and whose public behavior was and remains the antithesis of Christian.
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« Reply #394 on: July 06, 2017, 10:30:13 am »
Every day I grow more disgusted with this man child, and feel more contemptuous of his ignorance, his pettiness and lack of class. His election and continued support from a large segment of the population makes me call into question the value of democracy itself. Maybe we need to restrict it through IQ tests, information quizzes that have to be passed, elementary knowledge of basic government structure, perhaps. Although, come to think of it these are all tests Trump would fail. So maybe we should make the candidates pass the tests instead of the voters. Would be cheaper to administer them.
You would never have a conservative government again. Universities, after all, are just liberal training centres, aren't they? Judges, professors, teachers, college graduates of all sorts. Filthy communists.

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« Reply #395 on: July 07, 2017, 04:52:23 pm »
You would never have a conservative government again. Universities, after all, are just liberal training centres, aren't they? Judges, professors, teachers, college graduates of all sorts. Filthy communists.

People who pay taxes tend to like conservative governments which pay for what needs to be paid for, not everything under the sun, and try to keep the budget in check. Conservatives like dull, basic government which keeps the lights on and the roads cleared and the costs low. They're not so fond of liberal governments which believe any problem is a problem the government needs to address, and that anyone who is poor for whatever reason should be compensated by taking money from those who are not.

Why is it that anyone who is mildly to the right of centre is considered immoral but anyone far, far to the left, including Communists, is fine?

Note: Trump is not a conservative of any sort, nor are most of those in the Republican party leadership.
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« Reply #396 on: July 07, 2017, 10:11:28 pm »
I don't think conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual, it's just that current "conservative" parties seem to have adopted anti-intellectualism as a platform.

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« Reply #397 on: July 08, 2017, 05:47:46 am »
I don't think conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual, it's just that current "conservative" parties seem to have adopted anti-intellectualism as a platform.
 

Not in Canada, though.  They have flirted with it, and Harper and Leech patronize the brainless "I hate brown people" types as much as Trudeau patronizes the "I love brow people" types.

Our parties seem to compromise, or alternately steal from each other, more than the American ones.  Balanced budgets are a thing that Liberals try for and even the NDP was touting it last federal election, ie. lowered spending.

In the US, you have these ridiculous purity tests that are driven by media outlets who try to out-nutbar each other.  This used to happen on the far-left too, but I don't have any examples.

There is a golden path ahead to any party that figures out how to restructure the machine of democracy and government to lower overhead and pass the savings onto its citizens in the form of greater benefits for the poor, and lower taxes for middle and upper income earners.  This was ostensibly what Trump was supposed to do, but he has too many blockers to success.

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« Reply #398 on: July 08, 2017, 10:41:20 am »
I don't think conservatism is inherently anti-intellectual, it's just that current "conservative" parties seem to have adopted anti-intellectualism as a platform.

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Well, exclude the Republicans since they're not conservative. I don't think the Canadian Conservatives support anti-intellectualism. But remember, much of today's university environment is profoundly tilted towards the Left and far Left. Left wing ideology infests academia. It's no small wonder so many conservatives roll their eyes towards the ranting of ivory tower academics with their unworkable theories which ignore human realities and motivations.

The belief the Tories under Harper were anti-intellectual largely came from them ignoring or suppressing activist scientists who were agitating for climate change resolutions. I understood their motivation in ignoring the climate-science types because, to my mind, no reasonable solutions had been proposed to the stated issue. And the Harper Conservatives were not exactly the types to go in for large, costly, complicated and uncertain programs, especially if they were controversial - which is why they never did much of anything about health care, among other topics.

And I don't think the Liberals actions on climate change is in any way a regard or respect for science so much as embracing whatever is fashionably on the Left and an absolute disinterest in how much it will all cost.
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« Reply #399 on: July 08, 2017, 10:45:35 am »
They have flirted with it, and Harper and Leech patronize the brainless "I hate brown people" types as much as Trudeau patronizes the "I love brow people" types.

I'm curious about the parsing of this sentence. If the "I hate brown people" are brainless why aren't the "I love brown people" also brainless?

I also, of course, disagree that either Harper or Leech ever patronized the "I hate brown people" types. It is entirely acceptable to believe in Canadian values and culture and be wary of flooding it with masses of people who embrace none of it (see the Khadrs as poster children) just as it is entirely acceptable to not care a whit about Canadian values and culture and revel in masses of newcomers with wildly different beliefs. Neither has a moral component, despite how much the Left tries to attach one.
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« Reply #400 on: July 09, 2017, 02:27:00 pm »
I'm curious about the parsing of this sentence. If the "I hate brown people" are brainless why aren't the "I love brown people" also brainless?

Why do you think they're not ?

The point is that it's reactionary and brainless politics, yes on both sides.
 

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« Reply #401 on: July 10, 2017, 08:50:36 am »
Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with a Russian lawyer in Trump Tower to talk about Trump's campaign...but Trump knew nothing about it? Riiiight.

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« Reply #402 on: July 10, 2017, 01:43:23 pm »
I don't think the Canadian Conservatives support anti-intellectualism. But remember, much of today's university environment is profoundly tilted towards the Left and far Left. Left wing ideology infests academia. It's no small wonder so many conservatives roll their eyes towards the ranting of ivory tower academics with their unworkable theories which ignore human realities and motivations.


Got it. So Canadian Conservatives aren't anti-intellectualism, they just roll their eyes at anything academia has to say because the theories are rubbish. 

If that's not being anti-intellectual, I'm very curious what you think is.  Maybe you set the boundaries at burning books and throwing professors in jail?

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« Reply #403 on: July 10, 2017, 07:28:29 pm »
The trump campaign attempted to collude with Russia to win the election.   A serious no-no. 

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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #404 on: July 11, 2017, 03:00:01 pm »
Got it. So Canadian Conservatives aren't anti-intellectualism, they just roll their eyes at anything academia has to say because the theories are rubbish. 

If that's not being anti-intellectual, I'm very curious what you think is.  Maybe you set the boundaries at burning books and throwing professors in jail?

You presume the people in academia are intellectuals. I don't. I've been there, met them, spoken to them. A lot of them are banal bureaucrats who got through classes by rote memorization and stay in university because they could never succeed in the outside world and because they can't be fired. You're also ignoring how ideological many are, and their own willingness to ignore logic, evidence and information in pursuit of their noble ideals. You think the Conservative leadership - all of whom are university graduates, btw, should bow before a bunch of tenured left wing professors and meekly accept their pronouncements?
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