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« Reply #285 on: April 06, 2017, 03:25:25 pm »
Well Trump now says he is going to do "something" about Assad. Only a few days ago he was saying there was no reason to do anything about him. Tillerson made a comment that whether Assad should stay or go must be left up to the Syrian people. Ha ha ha. Now after seeing some of the horrible pics from the latest attack he has had some of his "lines crossed". I guess the stupid twit wasn't aware that this war has been going on for 6 or so years. The question is what will he actually do that won't upset his overseer Putin?
Yup, Trump certainly stuck is foot in it.

Syria is a mess.. a real dumpster fire with no easy answers. Everyone who wasn't a Trump supporter knew he had no idea what he was talking about during the election when he said he had plans to fix the problem. And Trump's praise of Russia and Putin will come back to haunt him; despite both the U.S. and Russia fighting ISIS, they are not allies, with Russia trying to prop up Assad, while the U.S. (at least under Obama) favored various non-ISIS rebel groups.

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« Reply #286 on: April 06, 2017, 04:21:14 pm »
Yup, Trump certainly stuck is foot in it.

Syria is a mess.. a real dumpster fire with no easy answers. Everyone who wasn't a Trump supporter knew he had no idea what he was talking about during the election when he said he had plans to fix the problem. And Trump's praise of Russia and Putin will come back to haunt him; despite both the U.S. and Russia fighting ISIS, they are not allies, with Russia trying to prop up Assad, while the U.S. (at least under Obama) favored various non-ISIS rebel groups.

I was not the biggest fan of Hillary Clinton's (although I certainly preferred her to Trump) and at least on this issue she had a plan that she spelled out that included various things including establishing a no-fly zone over Syria to prevent the types of attacks we just saw. Trump simply made another hollow comment something along the lines of "Oh yeah, we have a plan, but of course no details. Whether Hillary would have been successful with her plan I guess we'll never know. Now Trump is actually meeting with his military adviser so as to actually come up with a plan. What I have heard so far is there is speculation he may be planning to bomb some of the airfields that launched the aircraft the latest attack came from. Of course Assad will laugh at that, he can simply launch the next one with rockets. I got to travel through Syria years ago and found for instance that Damascus was a lovely city with very friendly people. I can't imagine what kind of horror show it's been turned into now.

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« Reply #287 on: April 06, 2017, 05:43:48 pm »
Trump simply made another hollow comment something along the lines of "Oh yeah, we have a plan, but of course no details.
But Trump did have a plan.. first he said he'd fire all then generals. Then he'd ask all the generals to sit down and write up a plan to defeat ISIS. Then he said it didn't matter because he was smarter than the Generals.

For better or worse, I think ISIS will be defeated (at least militarily in Syria/Iraq), and probably during Trump's tenure. Not that I think he'll be responsible (although he may claim credit)... but ISIS was going to run into problems anyways. (They're running out of stuff to sell or steal in order to pay their troops, and opposition in the area is better organized.)

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Now Trump is actually meeting with his military adviser so as to actually come up with a plan. What I have heard so far is there is speculation he may be planning to bomb some of the airfields that launched the aircraft the latest attack came from. Of course Assad will laugh at that, he can simply launch the next one with rockets.
Of course, any plan runs the risk of being opposed by Donald's friends, the Russians.

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« Reply #288 on: April 07, 2017, 10:33:14 pm »
I can't escape the feeling the Syria bombing was a ploy to hide the puppet strings. It seems very House of Cards, but the fact that they warned Russia means Putin warned Assad, which makes one wonder what the point of it was. If they have time to get everyone important out of the way and then just leave a few sacrificial Syrian civilians to make Donald look like a war President, they have all to gain and nothing to lose.

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« Reply #289 on: April 07, 2017, 11:17:18 pm »
Knocking out 20 or so aircraft is like a "fly in an elephants ass" when you consider just how quickly the Russians could and will replace them many times over. You might think if you wanted to F up an airbase you might just blow a hole or two in the runway. Reports say planes have already continued operations. I suspect Trump knew/knows very well he has legal problems with any kind of further escalation of attacks on Syria, so he will simply try and tell everyone how he acted "bigly" (while enjoying dinner at his gold course), and that's all for now folks. And then Russia's boy toy will continue murdering his people.

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« Reply #290 on: April 07, 2017, 11:58:32 pm »
I think he did the right thing with the symbolic slap on the wrist.  I think that it's the first time I've actually agreed with anything he did.

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« Reply #291 on: April 08, 2017, 02:48:22 pm »
So Trump gives us all, as one reporter put it, whiplash with his about face on Syria, launches an attack which at the end of the day will only help ISIL, then he pisses away another $3 million to run down to Mara Laga for yet another round of golf, and when he's between holes he's tweeting about the latest missile attack. And of course he says the pictures of chemically burned children moved him to do so while at the same time he has locked the door to them from escaping those attacks by coming to the States. How the hell could anyone take this twit seriously!

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« Reply #292 on: April 08, 2017, 08:24:57 pm »
And if Russia was aware an hour in advance and they're now really upset with Trump for doing this, why did they not even attempt to shoot the missiles down?

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« Reply #293 on: April 08, 2017, 10:59:04 pm »
Someone on Twitter said it best - you can tell Russia doesn't care because they sent out Medvedev to say that they care.

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« Reply #294 on: April 09, 2017, 04:55:55 pm »
And if Russia was aware an hour in advance and they're now really upset with Trump for doing this, why did they not even attempt to shoot the missiles down?

Maybe because Russia has no real ability to shoot down 60 cruise missiles.
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« Reply #295 on: April 09, 2017, 05:30:59 pm »
Well they do actually but the S 300/400 systems are only in place at the Russian airbases, and they have a limited range. I suspect they didn't want to waste resources fighting off a pre programmed attack. Much easier to just lay low for a few hours and then continue operations the next day.

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« Reply #296 on: April 09, 2017, 06:45:58 pm »
Russia is actually a lot weaker than they seem/many think.

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« Reply #297 on: April 09, 2017, 06:55:57 pm »
Russia is actually a lot weaker than they seem/many think.

Yes indeed, their economy is currently the size of Italy's. And then they spend so much of it on military hardware. But of course they do have nukes so we ought not push them too far.

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« Reply #298 on: April 09, 2017, 10:50:26 pm »
Well they do actually but the S 300/400 systems are only in place at the Russian airbases, and they have a limited range.

Yes very limited  ;D :

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« Reply #299 on: April 09, 2017, 11:05:33 pm »
Yes very limited  ;D :



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