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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #195 on: February 24, 2017, 11:05:14 pm »
He doesn't care about ratings, only seats.  The midterms will be his report card


I still don't get how you see him caring about the Republican Party.  He has no interest in them.  He cares only for his own interests and ego.

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« Reply #196 on: February 24, 2017, 11:13:40 pm »
He doesn't care about ratings, only seats.  The midterms will be his report card
If he makes it that far before his own party dumps him.

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« Reply #197 on: February 25, 2017, 05:31:49 am »
Approval ratings won't matter when the republicans take an axe to everything obama did.
I mentioned this before. It's bad faith governance. They take an axe to everything Obama did then the nxt time a Democrat gets into office they take an axe to everything the Republicans are doing. It's an unworkable and nihilistic approach to governing. It also ignores the fact that the executive is supposed to represent everyone, not just a narrow segment of the population.

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« Reply #198 on: February 25, 2017, 10:45:50 am »

I still don't get how you see him caring about the Republican Party.  He has no interest in them.  He cares only for his own interests and ego.

He has to care otherwise all he has are executive orders which are very easy to overturn

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« Reply #199 on: February 25, 2017, 10:51:30 am »
I mentioned this before. It's bad faith governance. They take an axe to everything Obama did then the nxt time a Democrat gets into office they take an axe to everything the Republicans are doing. It's an unworkable and nihilistic approach to governing. It also ignores the fact that the executive is supposed to represent everyone, not just a narrow segment of the population.

Bill Clinton and the republicans worked together and the result was a very strong economy and a stable government.  Things started becoming incredibly divisive when Iraq was invaded and only got worse from there.  Obama was also starting to take an axe to things republicans were doing and he had to as he was elected on it.  The president has to work with congress to pass laws that don't get overturned.  The USA has been very divided for more than a decade and if there is a recession the republican experiment is over.

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« Reply #200 on: February 25, 2017, 11:19:22 am »
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« Reply #201 on: February 25, 2017, 01:13:46 pm »
Like what?

Iraq war, passing Dodd frank, passing obama care for starters.

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« Reply #202 on: February 25, 2017, 01:15:14 pm »
Iraq war,

Was winding down anyway.  Obama simply followed what Bush planned.

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« Reply #203 on: February 25, 2017, 02:02:36 pm »
Iraq war, passing Dodd frank, passing obama care for starters.

So you think wars should last  forever?

I would have said Guantanamo....  but removing a military prison that is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court isn't exactly "taking an axe" to any Republican policies.

But on the other two things you said, what Republican policies did Obama take an axe to?  Passing legislation is not taking an axe to anything...   Your analogy is poor.
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« Reply #204 on: February 25, 2017, 10:23:37 pm »
So you think wars should last  forever?

I would have said Guantanamo....  but removing a military prison that is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court isn't exactly "taking an axe" to any Republican policies.

But on the other two things you said, what Republican policies did Obama take an axe to?  Passing legislation is not taking an axe to anything...   Your analogy is poor.

They last till they are won.  Either win or don't start then.  Bushs legacy was supposed to be the war on terror.  Obama pulled a page out of the 1970s democrat playbook.

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« Reply #205 on: February 25, 2017, 10:56:46 pm »
They last till they are won.  Either win or don't start then.  Bushs legacy was supposed to be the war on terror.  Obama pulled a page out of the 1970s democrat playbook.

I don't recall you being worrie about Canada pulling out of Afghanistan before we won...   why the difference?
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« Reply #206 on: February 26, 2017, 12:26:30 am »
They last till they are won.  Either win or don't start then.  Bushs legacy was supposed to be the war on terror.  Obama pulled a page out of the 1970s democrat playbook.
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Do you have any VALID ideas as to why Bush went into either Iraq of Afghanistan? And I wonder how you would suggest either one of those could have been ...WON . Your response ought to be interesting.

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« Reply #207 on: February 26, 2017, 05:05:31 am »
I don't recall you being worrie about Canada pulling out of Afghanistan before we won...   why the difference?

Was Afghanistan won?  In my opinion the intentions of turning those countries into future Japan, Germany, and South Korea was a bit too naive.  A lesson the west is learning the hard way.  Those wars cost trillions of dollars and the way they were fought hadn't shown much of a return on investment in my opinion, however for someone else they may have as wars fought over there are better than being fought here.  Hard to say as none of us have a seat that close to power to know what's going on.

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« Reply #208 on: February 26, 2017, 05:13:27 am »
They last till they are won.  Either win or don't start then.  Bushs legacy was supposed to be the war on terror.  Obama pulled a page out of the 1970s democrat playbook.
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Do you have any VALID ideas as to why Bush went into either Iraq of Afghanistan? And I wonder how you would suggest either one of those could have been ...WON . Your response ought to be interesting.

Afghanistan was started over harbouring terrorists over 9/11 and bush had the political capital to start that one.  Iraq was said to have been started over chemical weapons, but I think was seen as an opportunity to pick off saddam and seen as the easiest opportunity to try and pop up a state like a Germany, Japan, or South Korea. 

The problem that the Americans had was I don't think they expected to see insurgency on an order of magnitude like it was.  Unfortunately to win a war in the Middle East which is one of the most fought over pieces of land in history one has to look at history of how it was taken over time and let's just say it was not pretty.  There isn't political will to fight a war there and winning by getting your hands dirty.  Expect future involvements over there to be precision drone strikes taking out leaders and further destabilizing the place as attempting to build a western style nation there has utterly failed.

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« Reply #209 on: February 26, 2017, 04:26:03 pm »
Was Afghanistan won?  In my opinion the intentions of turning those countries into future Japan, Germany, and South Korea was a bit too naive.  A lesson the west is learning the hard way.  Those wars cost trillions of dollars and the way they were fought hadn't shown much of a return on investment in my opinion, however for someone else they may have as wars fought over there are better than being fought here.  Hard to say as none of us have a seat that close to power to know what's going on.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

You say Obama was wrong to leave...   why was Canada right to leave Afghanistan before we won the war?


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