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Offline cybercoma

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« Reply #1530 on: February 04, 2018, 06:23:46 pm »
Tim, Iím talking about things well beyond your obnoxious obsession with climate. Iím talking about things like this:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/393595/holocaust-denier-will-be-gop-nominee-in-illinois-congressional-race/

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« Reply #1531 on: February 04, 2018, 06:32:45 pm »
No one, other than Waldo, gives a **** about your crusade against global warming policy.

yabut it's a discerning shyte giving; one intended to highlight and/or counter member TimG's perpetual need to trot-out his off-topic/out-of-the-blue references to his denier/fake-skeptic/bigOil shilling agenda!

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« Reply #1532 on: February 04, 2018, 06:36:43 pm »
On the other hand, those who would dismiss 'expertise' because it doesn't align with their values or because they've made a subjective decision that politicians are 'virtue signalling' or 'in the pocket' or 'some other agenda' and should thus be ignored/dismissed aren't doing us any favors, either.
I don't disagree - but there is a middle ground that I wish more people would look for:

1) Separate the science based analyses from the political decision making which must incorporate values and economics;
2) Acknowledge the uncertainties implicit in many fields of knowledge and that deciding what to do about risks is a values based decision.

For example, the pipeline to the west coast is about nothing but values at this point. On one side you have people that few that jobs for people they don't know means nothing if they must accept even a small risk. On the other you have people who feel that well being of the economy is more important and the risks can be managed with proper oversight.

No amount of science will change the opinion of either side and one side it going to see its values stomped on because the anti-pipeline crowd refuses to compromise (the pro-pipeline side has already compromised a fair amount with carbon taxes and numerous other concessions). I don't know which will end up losing at this point.
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« Reply #1533 on: February 04, 2018, 07:20:38 pm »
God damnit.  How many threads do you two pinheads have to ruin with climate bullshit?   This is the second one today. **** off.  Get a room.  Get a therapist. Get help.  God damnit.

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« Reply #1534 on: February 04, 2018, 07:23:24 pm »

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« Reply #1535 on: February 04, 2018, 07:41:46 pm »
God damnit.  How many threads do you two pinheads have to ruin with climate bullshit?   This is the second one today. **** off.  Get a room.  Get a therapist. Get help.  God damnit.
My comments were relevant directly addressed the points being made. Cyber was the one that flipped out because my example was climate related (it is not as if one could have a conversation about the loss of respect for experts without discussing the climate issue since that is one of the bigger examples where experts are held in contempt by a significant portion of the population).
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« Reply #1536 on: February 04, 2018, 08:32:06 pm »
On the other hand, those who would dismiss 'expertise' because it doesn't align with their values or because they've made a subjective decision that politicians are 'virtue signalling' or 'in the pocket' or 'some other agenda' and should thus be ignored/dismissed aren't doing us any favors, either.   I'd even go so far to say that it's those who dismiss expertise, for any reason, that do the greater harm.   Consider that great stand-by, anti-vaccers.  They choose to believe a minority of experts rather than the combined expertise of dozens of people around the world, not to mention the empirical evidence of decades of research and evidence; as a result, more kids and adults get sick, and more die.

Similar conclusions can be arrived at regarding those who dismiss such things as global warming. For instance Trump says there's nothing to worry about, it's all fake news, and that so called "clean" coal is a beautiful thing. Of course he probably paid as much attention to grade school science as he does to the US Constitution that he is tasked with upholding. 

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« Reply #1537 on: February 04, 2018, 09:52:06 pm »
My comments were relevant directly addressed the points being made.

And DogOnPorch thinks Muslim invaders are relevant to every single thread. And the conspiritard guy thinks 9/11 or US internationalism is relevant to every single thread. Those aboriginal activists used to think native rights were relevant to every single thread. We had others who think Israeli settlements are relevant to every single thread. And as soon as you say "climate" then the waldo shows up and pretty soon everything is covered in sea-lion **** and whatever anybody else was talking about is completely lost.

People who need to make every thread about their own favorite issue are incredibly tedious.

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« Reply #1538 on: February 04, 2018, 10:11:45 pm »
Similar conclusions can be arrived at regarding those who dismiss such things as global warming. For instance Trump says there's nothing to worry about, it's all fake news, and that so called "clean" coal is a beautiful thing. Of course he probably paid as much attention to grade school science as he does to the US Constitution that he is tasked with upholding.
Please. Stop. ****.

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« Reply #1539 on: February 04, 2018, 10:14:15 pm »
the waldo shows up and pretty soon everything is covered in sea-lion **** and whatever anybody else was talking about is completely lost.
I generally ignore waldo for that reason (responding to him is like shaking a bottle of pop and then opening it). But point taken. Will make more an effort to find non-climate change examples when I want to make a point.
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« Reply #1540 on: February 04, 2018, 10:24:39 pm »
And DogOnPorch thinks Muslim invaders are relevant to every single thread. And the conspiritard guy thinks 9/11 or US internationalism is relevant to every single thread. Those aboriginal activists used to think native rights were relevant to every single thread. We had others who think Israeli settlements are relevant to every single thread. And as soon as you say "climate" then the waldo shows up and pretty soon everything is covered in sea-lion **** and whatever anybody else was talking about is completely lost.

People who need to make every thread about their own favorite issue are incredibly tedious.

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Threads do get derailed, and I will admit to being guilty from time to time of getting on that bandwagon. I do try to either ignore when that happens, or maybe throw one out about "WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China"? At least over here you don't have to worry about the fuhrer roaming around handing out arbitrary sentences. That in itself is a feature that I think improves individual desire to respect focus.

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« Reply #1541 on: February 04, 2018, 11:51:05 pm »
God damnit.  How many threads do you two pinheads have to ruin with climate bullshit?   This is the second one today. **** off.  Get a room.  Get a therapist. Get help.  God damnit.
And as soon as you say "climate" then the waldo shows up and pretty soon everything is covered in sea-lion **** and whatever anybody else was talking about is completely lost.

hey now Ms. kimmy, I never... never... initiate. Most certainly I respond, and will continue to respond whenever member TimG plies his denier/fake-skeptic bullshyte. If that bothers you and will continue to bother you, I suggest you direct your fake outrage towards the initiator, one member TimG, who can't resist dropping his off-topic and unrelated thread references to his ever present denier/fake-skeptic hobby-horse. Thank you for your consideration - carry on.

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« Reply #1542 on: February 05, 2018, 01:03:40 am »
will continue to respond whenever member TimG plies his denier/fake-skeptic bullshyte.
Yawn. You vomit BS over any thread whenever any dares to violate the precepts of your cult. Most people can simply accept that not everyone shares the same opinion - but not you. Any heresy can never be left unanswered and you mess up the forum for everyone else.  You wallow in the illusion that people are unable to respond to your nonsense but what is really happening is others have the maturity to back off to avoid adding to the chaos.
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« Reply #1543 on: February 05, 2018, 05:40:00 am »
Yawn. You vomit BS over any thread whenever any dares to violate the precepts of your cult. Most people can simply accept that not everyone shares the same opinion - but not you. Any heresy can never be left unanswered and you mess up the forum for everyone else.  You wallow in the illusion that people are unable to respond to your nonsense but what is really happening is others have the maturity to back off to avoid adding to the chaos.

yawn - says you, the grandInitiator! It's your as you say, "messing up the forum", off-topic and unrelated thread denier/fake-skeptic BS I'm responding to. Are you exercising your declared maturity when you continue, ad nauseum, dropping your off-topic/unrelated thread BS? Is it your declared maturity you're showing when you, in kind, respond to these replies to your very initiations? Punting your (typically unsubstantiated opinion) off-topic and unrelated BS with actual citations, with actual facts, is most inconvenient to/for you!

nothing is sweeter, nothing is more telling than reading you lashing out by declaring anyone who calls out your denier/fake-skeptic BS as being ideologically driven and following the "religion/cult" of legitimate science and knowledge provided by a world-wide network of hundreds upon hundreds of organizations/groups/institutions/etc., of thousands upon thousands of active working and reputable scientists. The wallowing illusion you speak of, an illusion of grandTrumpiness - that's you believing your unsubstantiated opinions trump actual facts, actual science!

(note: did you see what I did there with that prior sentence... thread relevance!)

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« Reply #1544 on: February 05, 2018, 05:50:36 am »
Trumpian economics: ignore all those clamoring with annoying questions about lost revenue and spiraling deficits associated with tax cuts for the rich - just borrow mo' money!

"The U.S. government is set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year" --- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/03/the-u-s-government-is-set-to-borrow-nearly-1-trillion-this-year/?utm_term=.e45efc423839