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« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2017, 05:30:40 am »
Just some comments from Trump supporters to give you an idea of what some people think:

"We Trumpsters know-President Trump is the best thing since Abe Lincoln!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸"

"Yes indeed he is "crazy like a fox" & cannot be contained by the usual methods.
Remember when the media and the GOP laughed and said he's a joke? People underestimate this man - our President all the time and he uses it to his advantage. Who's laughing now? God bless President Trump! 👍🇺🇸"

"I fully agree , the man is a genius!! Sit back and watch him in action , The media won't control or define him , FANTASTIC! I knew what I was doing when I placed my ballot 👏👏👏❣💥"

"I agree with you how sick America is right now, [NAME], for the exact opposite reason you would think. The far left liberals have not only destroyed our freedoms, society, and culture, they are trying to destroy any chance we may have to make things so much better for all people. Too many people have been told on what to think, and not how to have a mind and ideas of their own. It is frowned upon to be an individual and have your own thoughts and ideas. The far left is trying to destroy our country, because they are not into individual freedoms. They are into a herd mentality."

All of these are in response to this video:



They actually think Trump is playing 4D chess.


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« Reply #121 on: February 17, 2017, 08:52:55 am »
I thought he'd do fine.  I'm now convinced he won't make it through his first term.
What made you think he'd do fine? Your crazymeter sometimes doesn't work?

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« Reply #122 on: February 17, 2017, 09:04:34 am »
What's with Trump and Deutsche Bank? Why do they keep lending him and the other Trumps money after he refused to repay a 300M loan?

No wonder he doesn't want to release his tax returns.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/16/how-donald-trump-became-deutsche-bank-biggest-headache
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« Reply #123 on: February 17, 2017, 09:38:07 am »
I find it pretty interesting that one of the comments up above I posted said:

"It is frowned upon to be an individual and have your own thoughts and ideas. The far left is trying to destroy our country, because they are not into individual freedoms. They are into a herd mentality."

I find myself becoming less judgmental of religious identities as I study them, so i want to address this point and why it's so strange; however, in order to do so I need to lead up to it. First I will need to describe some of the history of Protestantism in the United States.

Protestantism in the US had two ideological strands throughout most of the 20th century: mainline and evangelical. Mainline Protestant churches were more liberal; they believed the believe in the social welfare message of Christ and sought to go out and aid others, as Jesus preached to do in the sermon on the mount. Evangelical Protestant churches were the conservative strand of Protestantism, which offered a strict guidelines for a healthy and moral life. They strictly controlled their congregations lifestyles and sought to have others join them, so that they too may be saved. As opposed to going out, allowing others to be what they are and simply providing assistance and care, evangelism sought to spread the word of God under the notion that people who accept him will join their fold.

The key difference between these two strands of Protestantism is that one values individualism and looks to synthesize its teachings and beliefs with an increasingly pluralistic society, whilst the other looked out for themselves. Conservative religions held traditionalist values. Politically, they are intent on creating an evangelical Protestant America. Traditionalism values subdues the individual in favour of the group. In fact, straying from the program is very much considered a threat, not to just the religion but society as a whole. You see, the prescribed life of conservative religion is a response to the fractured identities we suffer from the radical individualism associated with modernity. Modernity might be seen as nihilistic in the sense that if we can be anything, then we are nothing. The modern condition is one of having no place, role, or position in society or time. Anything goes.

Evangelical conservative Christianity is a response to this modern condition. Throughout the 60s and 70s as society became more liberal, attendance in the Mainline Protestant churches (read: liberal Protestant churches) rapidly declined. People could be spiritual or faithful without church. Religious identities were becoming fragmented just as our social identities were. People began observing religions like they were in a cafeteria picking and choosing their dishes, keeping and discarding the parts that had the most meaning for them. Attending weekly services is one of the things that suffered, even though many continued to have a personal devotion. Paradoxically, while all of this was happening, conservative evangelical churches were holding onto their membership. These "stricter" churches that prescribed guidelines for their members lifestyles and enforced them may seem anachronistic but they serve a very important purpose. They give people a sense of purpose and identity. They prescribe for them a role in society that allows them to understand their place in space and time. Individualism led to the rise of many mental health issues, such as depression and anxiety, precisely because it has become harder to find your place and role in this world. So many turned to or stayed with evangelical or more traditionalist religions as a way of finding meaning, purpose, and simply a place in an increasingly fragmented society.

What this commenter above characterized as an assault on society by liberals is not correct. "Liberalism" is the idea of individual freedoms and liberties, so it makes absolutely no sense to characterize liberal ideology as the subjugation of the individual. Liberal ideology is literally the exact opposite. It is conservative ideology that wants everyone to join their fold because they think the path to social well-being is a prescriptive program of faith that provides lifestyle guidelines to give everyone a place and sense of purpose in society. If it seems that Evangelical Christians are trying to take over the government and make everyone follow their beliefs, it is because that is exactly what they are doing and they strongly believe it is not just the right thing to do, but it is the moral thing to do. This doesn't just go for Christians, this is any traditionalist religion. The welfare of society and people's entire sense of purpose are bound up in the prescription of a conservative religious life that strictly values the group over the individual. Any deviation from the group is such a problem that there have been times where the group calls for the death of the person who doesn't subjugate their individuality before their faith. This is what happened to Salman Rushdie after publishing The Satanic Verses. This is what happened when conservative Christians justify the murder of abortion doctors.

So to put it simply, it is not liberals who are denying individual liberties and freedoms. It is very much a Christian conservative ideology that looks to subjugate the individual in favour of the group, one very specific group that all are invited to join and those who don't are seen as a threat to the group's very existence.
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« Reply #124 on: February 17, 2017, 09:56:10 am »
Oh and another thing, Western society set out on the liberal project back during the Enlightenment when it was no longer acceptable to cite tradition, but rather we embarked on a journey where reason was the path to truth. The Reformation was just a milestone on that journey, where individuals could now interpret the Bible and the word of God. However, this project reaches into all aspect of people's lives. Conservative ideology is one that seeks to "conserve" the old traditions, deny reason, and thereby deny individuality and individual liberty. Conservatism is about tradition and society as the body organic, where everyone has a role and a function as part of the group. Those who do not want to fulfill their role are to be exiled or are otherwise a threat to society.

Long story short, people on Facebook haven't got a **** clue what they're talking about.

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« Reply #125 on: February 17, 2017, 10:11:17 am »
What made you think he'd do fine? Your crazymeter sometimes doesn't work?

I thought he'd have smart people around him to make up for his nonsense.  I was wrong.
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« Reply #126 on: February 17, 2017, 03:44:50 pm »
Just some comments from Trump supporters to give you an idea of what some people think:

"We Trumpsters know-President Trump is the best thing since Abe Lincoln!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸"

"Yes indeed he is "crazy like a fox" & cannot be contained by the usual methods.
Remember when the media and the GOP laughed and said he's a joke? People underestimate this man - our President all the time and he uses it to his advantage. Who's laughing now? God bless President Trump! 👍🇺🇸"

"I fully agree , the man is a genius!! Sit back and watch him in action , The media won't control or define him , FANTASTIC! I knew what I was doing when I placed my ballot 👏👏👏❣💥"

"I agree with you how sick America is right now, [NAME], for the exact opposite reason you would think. The far left liberals have not only destroyed our freedoms, society, and culture, they are trying to destroy any chance we may have to make things so much better for all people. Too many people have been told on what to think, and not how to have a mind and ideas of their own. It is frowned upon to be an individual and have your own thoughts and ideas. The far left is trying to destroy our country, because they are not into individual freedoms. They are into a herd mentality."

All of these are in response to this video:



They actually think Trump is playing 4D chess.

He did win an election, and his attack on the press is proving effective in the eyes of a large portion of Americans, they believe him more than the press...

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« Reply #127 on: February 17, 2017, 03:53:54 pm »
This says more about those people than it does the press. It tells me they're ignorant and impressionable combined with being opinionated. When people buy into Trump's bullying of the media, what are they left with? Only the government message with zero accountability to the public. These ignorant fools would be beside themselves with rage if a democrat treated the media like this. A free press is the keystone of democracy. Without it you're left with nothing but government propaganda.
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« Reply #128 on: February 17, 2017, 04:35:08 pm »
Yes, but they're victims!  Victims of a vast left-wing media!  Of affirmative action and immigrants stealing their jobs.  Now Heil Trump is finally going to have their backs.

Funny how these knuckle draggers love throwing around phrases like snowflake, triggered... yet they're the biggest bunch of whiny victims I ever saw.
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« Reply #129 on: February 18, 2017, 11:22:45 am »
I thought he'd have smart people around him to make up for his nonsense.  I was wrong.

It is hard to guess which way things like this go.

In Canada we continue to see conservatives underestimate Trudeau's intelligence, charm, and judgement.

He has, generally, surrounded himself with people who are doing a good job.

Trump, in light of this Flynn incident, is demonstrating just how little respect he is getting: Harward has declined the NSC job on the basis of Trump's meltdown news conference from the other day.

Now, that is a loss. He probably would have been a good fit for the job but now a lesser candidate who is willing to work with a lunatic boss will get the job instead.

It's a self-reinforcing downward spiral into an incompetent abyss.
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« Reply #130 on: February 18, 2017, 01:44:41 pm »
This says more about those people than it does the press. It tells me they're ignorant and impressionable combined with being opinionated. When people buy into Trump's bullying of the media, what are they left with? Only the government message with zero accountability to the public. These ignorant fools would be beside themselves with rage if a democrat treated the media like this. A free press is the keystone of democracy. Without it you're left with nothing but government propaganda.

Trump is as free to make his crude remarks about the press as the press is just as free to make their jabs at trump.  They are quite allowed to bully each other and let the public decide who they believe based on both sides arguements.  Unless trump explicitly starts passing laws hindering the press and their ability to cover the news and express an opinion; the press is just being sore losers.

The press is just as capable of spreading propaganda as politicians and what keeps everyone accountable is multitude of avenues of getting information, determining if the reports corroborate, and not paying attention to the source of information one doesn't agree with.

its far easier to hold the president and his party accountable at election time than it is to hold the editor of a media outlet.

Don't worry obama slammed Fox News on the regular.  The press is having a hard time understanding that freedom is a two way street and that they are allowed to be criticized.  Donald trump criticizing the media is not oppressing them.  Unless trump passes a law hindering there rights, they can't complain if he doesn't take their questions or calls them out.

Unless you show a law where the press is having their rights trampled, they still have their rights in tact

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« Reply #131 on: February 18, 2017, 02:19:34 pm »
the press is just being sore losers.

It is funny you would say that, and not acknowledge that Trump is also being a sore loser because he doesn't have the press eating out of his hands.

I agree he is free to say what he wants, but so is the press and the fact is they are far more accountable than he has ever been. The press do hold themselves, and each other to account. Trump has been given a free ride, and by deluging the airwaves with continual alternative facts he is trying to bury his worst ones among the others. The press should hold him to account.

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« Reply #132 on: February 18, 2017, 02:45:16 pm »
It is funny you would say that, and not acknowledge that Trump is also being a sore loser because he doesn't have the press eating out of his hands.

I agree he is free to say what he wants, but so is the press and the fact is they are far more accountable than he has ever been. The press do hold themselves, and each other to account. Trump has been given a free ride, and by deluging the airwaves with continual alternative facts he is trying to bury his worst ones among the others. The press should hold him to account.

Trump has not been given a free ride and at the same time he hasn't given the press a free ride either.  The difference with trump and the press is that trump is making no small bones that he's upset at the press and giving it back to them.  Please explain how the press is far more accountable than trump.  Voters can end trumps presidency, but they can't silent some guy writing a blog in his parents basement.

What trump is doing with his "alternative facts" is essentially trolling the media.  By then howling about everything and saying that everything he does is the worst scandal than watergate is really cutting into their credibility.

As for trump going at it with the media, he has to.  All he has to look at is how the media has reported on bush jr., McCain, and Romney.  None of those people pushed back and it hurt the republicans with voters.  Every editor is a human and they have their preferences and a lot of the news is reporting facts and they express their opinions, tone, and delivery based on their preferences which is fine as it's human nature.  Trump is just calling them on it. 

The media is used to having republicans twist in pretzels to try and get their message out whereas trump is now driving the media nuts.

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« Reply #133 on: February 18, 2017, 03:23:02 pm »
Trump has not been given a free ride and at the same time he hasn't given the press a free ride either.  The difference with trump and the press is that trump is making no small bones that he's upset at the press and giving it back to them.  Please explain how the press is far more accountable than trump.  Voters can end trumps presidency, but they can't silent some guy writing a blog in his parents basement.

Trump was a no-name reality show hollywood type that was given months and months of free coverage. Trump has to be accountable once in 4 years, the press has to be accountable nightly. This is not about some guy in his basement with a readership of 3 and a mommy to support him, this is about the main stream press that must make payroll every two weeks and if they are not accountable then their financial supporters (advertisers) will walk away.

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« Reply #134 on: February 18, 2017, 04:18:31 pm »
Trump is as free to make his crude remarks about the press as the press is just as free to make their jabs at trump.

Unless you show a law where the press is having their rights trampled, they still have their rights in tact
No one suggested that Trump isn't allowed to be an idiot and nobody said the press was having their rights trampled. I certainly never said that, so I don't know why you're even quoting me at all.