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Offline segnosaur

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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6255 on: October 12, 2020, 02:58:53 am »
while Biden isn't exactly a far left progressive candidate, he's not a "republican in democrat clothing" either. He does have plans o make the wealthy pay more in taxes. he does have plans to address climate change. He does have plans to provide health care to more Americans.I guess the question is, will Sanders actually stick around the Democratic party this time. Remember, he's been sitting as an independent senator for years, and only becomes a Democrat when he wants to hijack the party for his own purposes. (Hmmmm... I wonder if he ever thought that if he actually, you know, BECAME a democrat, he might have had enough support within the party to win the primaries, rather than saying "boo! Hiss! You're evil! Now support me while I run for president". Ummm... no he wouldn't.
On any and all issues Biden will do what he needs to do to stay popular.
Biden is a moderate democrat. That means he is on the political left, but not on the fringes. That doesn't necessarily mean he says things ONLY because they are popular. It could just mean he has selected policies that a lot of people believe in.

You don't have to be a radical to be committed to your policies.
If addresing AGW is important to Americans then Biden will respons accordingly. If it doesn't become important then he won't.
Actually Biden has actually been fighting for action on global warming as far back as the 1980s, bringing in one of the first bills in congress to address climate changes. And this was done long before Global warming was considered a significant issue in the political landscape.
Trump has given us a trade war, with tariffs slapped on things like steel and aluminium (even after we signed our free trade deal). One of his closet advisors has made some pretty stupid comments that have affected Canada/US relations.
Everything Trump does on foreign relations are only for his own re-election interests.
Why are you assuming that?

We know multiple things about Trump: That he is a narcissist (being unwilling to admit any sort of failure or mistake, even if doing so would benefit him), that is an incompetent moron who doesn't understand economics or foreign policy (the man has a string of business failures, including multiple casinos, where the business model is as simple as "customers come in, give money, and leave") and that in the rare occasions where he actually listens to the advice of others, the people he listens to are themselves either corrupt or incompetent. His decisions on trade or foreign policy are more likely to be due to those factors than they are by some sort of political calculation.

Slapping tariffs on aluminium from Canada did not benefit him politically. (I doubt many of his supporters were even aware of them.) In fact, they probably hurt his political situation (given retaliatory tariffs and the general economic harm of trade barriers.) 
If he's elected he will be a different person altogether.
We heard exactly the same thing in 2016. "Sure Trump is crude/brash when campaigning, but once elected he will pivot and become presidential'. But instead of getting "Trump the statesman" the U.S. got "Trump the clown". Why expect that it will somehow be different if he is re-elected in 2020?

Rather than him saying "Now the pressure for re-election is over, I can adopt different policies (such as reversing tariffs), his narcissism will make it impossible for him to change his policies (since that would imply he did something wrong in the first place) and he is more likely to double down, leaving the tariffs in place (possibly even increasing them) because eliminating them would suggest he made a mistake in imposing them in the first place.
Then there are also the policies and actions that Trump has that aren't directly related to Canada, but will harm us regardless... his covid response will mean that the disease will continue to affect the world for much longer than it should (which affects Canada, since we share so much trade as well as a common border). His environmental policies (e.g. global warming denial) will impact all countries in the world, since carbon dioxide does not stop a the American borders. And his financial incompetence risks damaging the American economy, which will end up dragging the whole global economy down with it.
Trump knows he's lost the battle on Covid but he has to continue his stance until he's elected. After that he would come around to being mainstream sane on Covid. Trump wants to be on the right side of the debate on Covid.
It was Trump's incompetence that has left America with such a high casualty rate in the first place. Why exactly do you assume that after re-election, he will magically become competent?

Time and time again, we have seen Trump do things which not only harm America's response to Covid-19, but also harm himself politically.
Frankly, the suggestion that Trump is doing what he does for political reasons is giving him far too much credit. He is just not that smart.
As to Biden? You need to understand that bringing about social change for the people requires a break from the establishment American way. I see no indication that Biden could be the one to upset that apple cart.
The assumption of course is that the only way to bring about change is to "upset the apple cart". I personally think that's the wrong attitude to take. Positive change can also come about through gradual directed change. The U.S. didn't need riots in the streets to make people more accepting of gay marriage, or legalization of marijuana.

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