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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #510 on: August 16, 2017, 07:18:07 pm »
The problem with that argument...

If the racists/neo-nazis did not exist, then the antifa would not exist.
If the antifa people did not exist, the racists/neo-nazis would have continued doing what they were doing.

It may not necessarily be wrong to question the activities of some of the left-wing protestors. But because of the reasons that both groups exist (one side expressing hate, the other saying hate is wrong), then ALL of the blame should go to the racists.

Huh??  Obviously antifa is fighting for a more righteous cause, but everyone is responsible for their own actions.  I'm going to go with the law here, which says all violence against another person is wrong (unless it's in self-defense of violence being imminently forced upon you etc).  If I punch someone in the face I can't put ALL blame on the other person because they were spewing offensive or even hateful things at me (unless it's threatening me with violence), I'll still be charged with assault, so what you're saying wouldn't stand up in court.  The state has a monopoly on violence, this is how liberal democracies & civilized societies work.

I'm not trying to defend nazis or Trump, I'm trying to defend anti-violence, like MLK & Gandhi did.

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But because of the reasons that both groups exist (one side expressing hate, the other saying hate is wrong), then ALL of the blame should go to the racists.]

Consider this: when an otherwise well-meaning protester dislikes hateful Nazis/KKK like we all do with so much resentment & anger that the protester violently attacks those KKK racists, isn't that also an expression of hate?  Shouldn't we be better than them? "Others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win, unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself". - Richard Nixon at his farewell speech.
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