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« Reply #8175 on: March 09, 2023, 09:59:25 pm »
Well for one, it is a campaign finance violation. Political donations need to be tracked. If Trump spent money to keep Stormy Daniels from talking, then that would benefit his campaign, and the hush money would be considered a campaign donation (which in this case wasn't declared).

The prosecutors may also be looking into how Trump actually paid her. He may not have paid the hush money out of his own pocket, but from the Trump organization. Depending on how the payment was structured within the organization, it might have been done illegally (since there are rules about how businesses can move money around. I don't think "payment to a **** star I banged" would be considered a legitimate business expense.)

Overall, it should be a pretty easy case to make. After all, this was one of the things that his former lawyer Cohen was sent to jail for (not to mention that they have Trump's signature on a cheque.)  Although I am surprised that of all the legal problems Trump is facing, this case seems closest to indictment, since things like the investigation into theft of classified documents or the Georgia election case seemed to be further along.

And of all the things that Trump has done, this seems like a pretty small thing to prosecute him over. But still... he broke the law. If Cohen deserved jail for it, then Trump does too. And hopefully it will open a floodgate of charges from other jurisdictions all trying to get a piece of Trump. And frankly, after all the setbacks/disappointments we've had regarding Trump's criminal history, I'd be happy to see him brought to court for, well, ANYTHING at this point.
- Bragg went against his prosecutors in deciding not to pursue criminal fraud charges
- Republicans allowed Trump a free pass over his attempts to blackmail Ukraine and over his support of terrorism in 2 impeachments
- Muller failed to recognize the lack of integrity of the GOP over his investigation into Russian election interference (he documented various crimes Trump could have been charged with, but he assumed republicans would do the right thing. They didn't, and as a result Trump wasn't charged over any of it.)
- His tax fraud, Trump University and Trump Foundation crimes were all treated as civil cases, so no jail time possible
- His delay tactics managed to see him avoid any sort of repercussions over emoluments over his washington DC hotel.
- The Georgia election case could see indictments, but the process there seems to be sloooow (with one grand jury hearing evidence but only making recommendations that another grand jury will have to consider)
- Garland seemed to be overly-cautious in dealing with Trump's document theft. Fortunately he brought in Jack Smith, who seems to be a lot more...aggressive. Unfortunately it seems like they may try to merge the document case with an election interference case (which might slow things down since they will have to wait until both cases are ready for prosecution.)

Thanks, I appreciate the detailed response.

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« Reply #8176 on: March 09, 2023, 10:38:37 pm »
Love to see him locked up, but what actually is the crime here?  Of all the things Trump has done wrong, this is the only one I couldn't figure out.  Where's the actual crime?  He had sex with someone, and he paid them not to bang on about it?  Am I missing something?
You’re not missing anything.  Some of the Trump haters, are filled with so much hate, and derangement that they’re ok with criminalizing a consensual relationship between two adults.  It’s really quite sad.

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« Reply #8177 on: March 09, 2023, 10:42:57 pm »
You’re not missing anything.  Some of the Trump haters, are filled with so much hate, and derangement that they’re ok with criminalizing a consensual relationship between two adults.  It’s really quite sad.
You mean like Tucker Carlson?

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« Reply #8178 on: March 09, 2023, 11:17:19 pm »
I've said it a million times: Trump's base isn't hillbillies in the sticks, it's well-off suburbanites.

Trump's base is in rural America.  Trump obviously has support in the outlying suburbs too, but just look at the US electoral map by county. Outside the Northeast, the West Coast, and an area covering parts of Arizona and New Mexico, Trump won nearly every rural county.  However, most large US cities are blue.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

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« Reply #8179 on: March 09, 2023, 11:47:11 pm »
Trump's base is in rural America.  Trump obviously has support in the outlying suburbs too, but just look at the US electoral map by county. Outside the Northeast, the West Coast, and an area covering parts of Arizona and New Mexico, Trump won nearly every rural county.  However, most large US cities are blue.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Counties don’t vote, people do.

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« Reply #8180 on: March 15, 2023, 07:20:48 pm »
Truth Social reportedly being kept afloat with laundered money from Russia. What a surprise!

https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1635972772349329408?t=rzCD1FkCvLA7XY_doB2DrQ&s=19
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« Reply #8181 on: March 15, 2023, 07:24:13 pm »
Truth Social reportedly being kept afloat with laundered money from Russia. What a surprise!

https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1635972772349329408?t=rzCD1FkCvLA7XY_doB2DrQ&s=19
😂😂😂

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« Reply #8182 on: March 16, 2023, 10:11:50 am »
Truth Social reportedly being kept afloat with laundered money from Russia. What a surprise!

https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1635972772349329408?t=rzCD1FkCvLA7XY_doB2DrQ&s=19
I am shocked! Shocked I tell you.

Who ever thought an individual who has praised Putin's invasion of the Ukraine as "smart", who gave classified information to a Russian diplomat, and who's presidential campaign gave private polling data to Russian operatives would have actually involved themselves with shady Russian payments?

And its not like the Trump Klan has had any sort of foreign entanglements before. Well, except for the Saudis using Trump's golf courses for their tournaments. And the Saudis also letting Jared Kushner handle billions of dollars of their investments. And China expidicting Ivanka's trademark requests.

But no, please explain how this is somehow worse than not being able to see Hunter Biden's dick pics.

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« Reply #8183 on: March 16, 2023, 02:39:42 pm »
“It confirms my biases so it must be true!!!!” 😂😂😂
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« Reply #8184 on: March 16, 2023, 02:47:18 pm »
“It confirms my biases so it must be true!!!!” 😂😂😂
"I don't want it to be true so I will say it isn't despite all evidence to the contrary."  🤣🤣🤣

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« Reply #8185 on: March 16, 2023, 03:16:44 pm »
"I don't want it to be true so I will say it isn't despite all evidence to the contrary."  🤣🤣🤣
There’s no “evidence”.  It’s all conjecture.  But I understand that it confirms your biases, so you run with.  You’d think you would have learned by now, after all of the other fake Trump stories you’ve chased.
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« Reply #8186 on: March 17, 2023, 09:54:29 am »
"I don't want it to be true so I will say it isn't despite all evidence to the contrary."  🤣🤣🤣
A little bit more about the story behind it (and the evidence)...

From: https://www.salon.com/2023/03/15/media-probed-for-possible-linked-money-laundering-over-loan-approved-by-don-jr-report/
Towards the end of the year, prosecutors began looking at two loans totaling $8 million sent to Trump Media through the Caribbean from two obscure entities that appear to be "controlled in part by the relation of an ally of Russian president Vladimir Putin"..."if you trace the beneficiaries back you get to the nephew of a Putin ally who was the first deputy justice minister in Russia and previously served in Putin's executive office."...former Trump Media CFO Philip Juhan weighed returning the money but it was never sent back, in part because losing $8 million of about $12 million the company had in its account would have strained its finances.

If your very own executives are saying "this is suspicious... maybe we should send it back" then that should raise all sorts of red flags.

And even if it wasn't "money laundering" per se, you figure that Trump (after it was found that he benefitted from Russian support in the 2016 election) would have wanted to avoid looking even more guilty than he does.
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« Reply #8187 on: March 17, 2023, 10:58:08 am »
A little bit more about the story behind it (and the evidence)...

From: https://www.salon.com/2023/03/15/media-probed-for-possible-linked-money-laundering-over-loan-approved-by-don-jr-report/
Towards the end of the year, prosecutors began looking at two loans totaling $8 million sent to Trump Media through the Caribbean from two obscure entities that appear to be "controlled in part by the relation of an ally of Russian president Vladimir Putin"..."if you trace the beneficiaries back you get to the nephew of a Putin ally who was the first deputy justice minister in Russia and previously served in Putin's executive office."...former Trump Media CFO Philip Juhan weighed returning the money but it was never sent back, in part because losing $8 million of about $12 million the company had in its account would have strained its finances.

If your very own executives are saying "this is suspicious... maybe we should send it back" then that should raise all sorts of red flags.

And even if it wasn't "money laundering" per se, you figure that Trump (after it was found that he benefitted from Russian support in the 2016 election) would have wanted to avoid looking even more guilty than he does.
Got it, so nothing that’s actually against the law.  Stop trying to invent crimes.  You remind me of Stalin, “show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”.

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« Reply #8188 on: March 17, 2023, 11:22:58 am »
Got it, so nothing that’s actually against the law.  Stop trying to invent crimes. You remind me of Stalin, “show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”.

This is exactly like how you keep trying to draw Joe Biden into Hunter's sketchy business dealings even though there's no evidence the former was involved.In other words: shut da f*ck up.

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